The Wolf AND The Shepherd discuss the theory of evolution and how it has benefits and drawbacks. In this podcast, we talk about crazy animals that have somehow made their way though the winds of change when it comes to what is survival of the fittest and what is just a joke because God has a great sense of humor. Is the giraffe and the hippo just proof of God's sense of humor, or are they a byproduct of the evolutionary line gone wrong? How clever or crazy was Charles Darwin?
The Shepherd discovers that the mantis shrimp is the cause of global warming and that we actually do not need more than two toes.
And while we are at it, can anyone get us access to having a mantis shrimp as a pet?
Have you heard of the velvet ant, the red lipped batfish, the gastric brooding frog, or the fish that lives in the sea cucumber's butt? Yep, we talk about those.
welcome to this episode of the wolf and
the shepherd today
our topic is evolution i want a refund
so if you look at evolution there's a
couple of different ways you can look at
it but we're gonna
try our best and of course you know we
struggle with this from time to time but
we're gonna try our best to
stick to this topic as defined
right so the definition that we have of
evolution is the process by which
different kinds of living organisms are
thought to have developed and
diversified
from earlier forms during the history of
the earth
so can we stick with that can can we
actually stay on topic on this one
i think we can mostly um as you know i'm
not a big fan of evolution
um there's always been this
statement about god having a good sense
of humor
sure but it's like evolution is trying
to one-up
god uh because you look at some of the
diversity in the animal kingdom and even
some of the diversity
you know among humans it's
either somebody has a sense of humor or
this whole type of
evolutionary path of producing the best
of the species
isn't exactly going quite to plan oh
absolutely and you think about the that
sense of humor topic and i'm sure we're
going to delve into that
here in a little bit but kind of reminds
me of the scene
in good fellas kind of towards the end
of goodfellas when they're getting
arrested and the
either the fbi or or you know law
enforcement whoever it was
was arresting them and they said uh
whoever sold you those suits had a
wonderful sense of humor
and you know they're all standing there
in their nice silk italian suits and
kind of gave this look i would
always think about that with sense of
humor so when we
when we look at evolution are there
different types of evolution
uh i just want it noted there that the
shepherd asked 15 seconds ago if we
could stay on topic and then he moved
over to goodfellas
but um yes there are there are various
uh
types of evolution the most standard
form which most people
have a view about or understanding about
is called divergent
evolution okay there are two other types
convergent
and parallel so would you say the uh
divergent is what most people associate
with thinking about evolution yeah
unless
unless this is a topic you've actually
researched by yourself
the vast majority of people's
understanding of evolution comes down
this divergent path
okay that's um an evolutionary pattern
in which two species gradually become
increasingly different
so if you want to talk say uh on a large
scale divergent evolution is responsible
for
diversity of life on earth from the
first living cells
so that's where you've got right from
the first cells to where we are now
on a smaller scale it would be something
like um
the evolution of humans and apes from a
common primer
okay so you know that that's how most
people understand evolution they
want to have something coming from
something from one
common ancestor and it's just a case of
how far you push it back
but there like i said with convergent
and parallel
types of evolution it's where
uh species may split off because of
mutation
because that's something you can never
allow for you know that's a very random
uh factor in evolution but when it does
happen it can
split a species in half within a couple
of
generations as such right and and
because we're talking about evolution
it doesn't necessarily mean that it gets
better
it just means that it's changing because
there
could probably be certain things that
you look back at and you realize
we've evolved but we didn't necessarily
get better
and i'm sure we're probably going to get
into some examples of that but we're
just talking about that
change that change over time most people
when they think about
evolution they probably think about that
poster that was always in the science
classrooms
of you know the monkey that eventually
stands up
and next thing you know it's man walking
with spear in his hand
kind of deal so in that instance you
look at that
and you say okay well that got better
over time but there could be
instances where evolution actually
changed it worse over time so it's just
we're plain talking about the change
over time
not good not bad just the change right
yeah and along with
that divergent uh view of evolution i
think
most people's knowledge of evolution or
at least
to something to throw their hat on is
really
darwinism you know obviously which comes
from charles darwin
he was an english naturist and he stated
that all species of organisms arise and
develop
through natural selection and an
inherited variations
increase an individual's ability to
compete survive and reproduce
so if you're looking when you were
mentioning before about
you know does evolutionary to something
better
well better is very subjective i mean
it's really that survive and reproduce
which is the aim of every species
and yeah so you know survival could be
looked at as
true just surviving we have to evolve to
survive so
it might be something looked at that in
certain environments it's not
necessarily as
good on the evolution side of what we
have become but we had to do that out of
necessity to survive
the natural selection process though
might be a little bit different
because if natural selection was there
for that quote-unquote survival of the
fittest
then sometimes you could argue that the
fittest even though they survived
maybe it was an environmental
circumstance that was
mitigated to just this small portion of
time
and now that problem is gone maybe it's
a disease maybe it's an
environmental change whatever it may be
and what if
everything reverts back to the way it
was before
and now we've evolved and now we can't
attack that like we did before you
follow me
yeah um well i mean what a lot of people
don't know about
charles darwin was that he was actually
a creationist
prior to visiting the galapagos islands
and he saw so many amazing animals
insects
there that he then adopted this theory
that
species arise naturally by a process of
evolution
rather than having been created by god
and this actually took
you know the focus of his work uh
in a completely different direction he
still had to be very sensitive obviously
with the church
which you know given this you know his
book on the origins of species was
actually published about
i think it's just over 160 years ago
and at that point in time a pushback
from the church was actually quite
significant
yeah that there was of course with with
him being over there
there was no you know true separation of
church and state and you
go against the church and that could be
the end of you
and so for for his time
it was quite possibly a career-ending
move
by proposing all this yeah and
you know the two varying types of
evolution you know talks about in the uh
on the
on the origin of species was natural
selection
okay um which is obviously you know
affected by environment competition
availability of food you know various
factors and also artificial selection
where
you know there's human intervention so
you talk about selective breeding with
dogs or with
um you know plants and could it also
lead to like human contamination of
environment
you know there there's plenty of
plants and animals both that thrive in
their natural habitat but then
humans get involved and you know it's
kind of like the
the stay-at-home moms that get upset
because coyotes are walking through the
neighborhood
because there's all these homes being
built and next thing you say oh there's
a coyote here
you know what do we do i'm i'm worried
for my little kitty cat or my puppy dog
or
something like that going on so you have
that
artificial human interaction with that
environment that might cause those
coyotes to say
oh let me just wander through the
neighborhood and dig through this trash
and
you know you got the raccoons doing the
same thing the good old trash pandas
you know they're digging in the trash
saying well i don't have to really hunt
as much anymore i can just dig through
these humans trash
now um
one of the things i was thinking about
when i was researching the topic of
evolution
was actually uh i guess
the constant abrasive abrasion
between uh religion and science
and that you know certain
christian fundamentalists absolutely
believe
the creationist theory word for word
right there are others who
you know like myself i believe that god
created
life but once everything had been
created there was no reason why
evolution shouldn't have taken place
after that creation so that's a mix of
god and science
whereas you have some people who you
know just purely believe
that you know just like the big bang
theory we don't know what happened five
seconds before the big bang we don't
know what
which came first the chicken or the egg
you know we didn't
we don't know kind of how these first
cells came to be in
you know out of the galactic soup um
and so you've really got three different
belief systems when it comes to it
and like i said that abrasion between
them
yeah and somewhere in the middle is the
answer
you know in in getting getting too
hung up on one side or the other and i
you know
believe that with everything uh getting
too hung up on one side or the other
is detrimental to the thought process
and getting through that
but in looking at like if you
look at that creationist theory you can
look at an animal like the giraffe right
and you know if you've ever been to one
of those drive-through
zoos or something that has one of the
giraffes i've been to one there's one
here in north texas
and you know the kids always love seeing
the giraffes because you'd pull up and
i have a jeep wrangler and we'd always
take the roof off the jeep wrangler
and you walk up in the giraffes stick
their big long necks into the top of the
jeep
and you feed them and they pet the
giraffe and they get these big long
tongues but you're saying
oh wait a second if
all of this you know evolution existed
and yeah you know
they needed the long necks to eat the
leaves off the trees
did they really need the neck that long
or you know why weren't the trees
evolving
to keep growing taller and if they did
and we had
two thousand foot trees would we have
two thousand foot necks on the giraffes
or you got the big fat hippos it's like
you know
why don't y'all go on diets you know why
don't you get on some jenny craig or
some weight watchers and lose some
weight do you really need to be that fat
so lots of things you could probably
argue on that side of
evolution in the survival of the fittest
but
you can go to the zoo right now and see
both of those animals
yeah but do you think i mean you
mentioned about
you know the tree following a form of
evolution where
you know made the fruit less accessible
would it not have made more sense in
terms of expanding the lifespan
of the tree for it to make the fruit
more readily available so it could be
eaten and then come out of the excrement
of the animals and spread
to different areas because i'm in a i
mean i don't know obviously a genetic
programming
behind why you know an apple tree does
what it does
but you know if it is relying on
birds to eat the fruit and they'll
spread the seed maybe
wider right than maybe
you know a mammal underneath the in it i
don't know because that
that would be or did it go so far as
well
maybe the apple tree doesn't have to
produce that many apples anymore because
you got the humans coming along and they
decide that you know they're
living somewhere in new england and now
we have this
activity that we all go out apple
picking and so now we have to go pick
our own apples
as some kind of a you know experience
now versus just going to the grocery
store and getting them which is by the
way so much easier
so now we go out and we pick all these
apples we go home we eat the apples we
throw the apple core
in the trash cans and once again here
come the raccoons and they're like well
we don't even have to climb trees
anymore we'll just wait for the humans
to eat this then we'll eat a little bit
of that apple core
then they go you know scatter the seeds
so to speak
whenever they run around you could look
at it that way
uh yeah i'd just like to point out there
that
we discussed the evolution of giraffe
snacks across
possibly tens or hundreds of thousands
of years
and compared that to some granny living
up in new england who's been picking
apples for 10 years
and whether the tree will actually
outgrow the granny's apple picking
efforts
yeah now it you got to protect those
people that want to go out there and
pick apples because you know what more
power to them i'll just go to the
grocery store and find my
rights or yeah or better than that it
you don't even have to pick out your own
apples anymore they have them all bagged
up for you and you can just get a bag of
apples i mean i remember the days where
you actually had to go
and you had to look at each one of the
apples they all had the little sticker
on them and you say oh that's a good
apple
and you put them all in the bag now you
can just grab a bag of apples
to me that's kind of evolution but once
again trying to
steer off topic a little bit yeah well
um
obviously you know when we talk about
evolution
we tend to group humankind
separately from the rest of the animals
so sure
most people you know have an interest in
you know where
man originated from and then the animals
kind of are another group
all together well sure i mean we we're
all egotistical
in the way we think so we want to know
where we came from right you could care
less about the
giraffe or the raccoon or something like
that it's all about solving
our own problem right and we kind of
ignore some of these
other animals that are floating around
saying yeah well if we
have evolution what about some of these
other animals yeah
because i'm not a fan of all animals if
i'm honest
and i think one of the uh
better arguments which atheists have
overlooked when they confront christians
in terms of
you know kind of like exchanging
viewpoints they shouldn't be asking
how logistical it was to build
noah's ark because um you're going to
get somebody who's done enough research
you can actually work it out
oh it could have been done blah blah
blah but if an atheist asked a christian
okay you believe you believe in the
creationist
uh path why did god create
the wasp well you know that
there's a wasp or you could argue the
mosquito kind of the same thing it's
like come on noah you could have left
those two mosquitoes behind
but going back to one of our prior
podcasts
you got the ducks and to bring the ducks
up again
you know i i believe it was eddie izzard
that had a stand-up thing
years ago about ducks and you know
ducks could fly ducks can be on land and
ducks can swim
there were probably not ducks on the ark
because the ducks were just
probably swimming around letting you
know people
you know noah and his family throw bread
or whatever at the ducks and
say you know hey we're good right here
we we can stand on top the ark or we can
swim around in the water
and maybe that's part of the reason why
ducks are a little bit on the evil side
well um i was i was looking through a
whole bunch of animals other than wasps
who you
know i'm i have a particular disdain for
there's a whole bunch of animals where
you have to question
why because these animals are basically
a-holes to every other animal and plant
and thing of existence and of course
we're talking about besides the normal
house cat
yeah yeah because because we all know
cats
cats are bad but yeah they they somehow
made it through but
but we're gonna get a little beyond just
your normal house cat and kind of delve
into some of these
ridiculous answers now obviously this
year we had um
in our 2020 heading for
an absolute dystopia in a 12-month
period we had
the mention of uh the murder hornet oh
yeah on the news right that these
species were going to come you know they
were like three four inches long
they could kill it with last thing now
um
you have to question again whether this
is creationist or evolution
you know why this thing why give this
thing
this much power because there's actually
something called a velvet ant
velvet velvet and uh which is actually a
wasp but
oh so yeah well you say velvet ant
yeah i think of like you know in texas
we got fire ants right
and so i think of just your your regular
old land
they got their little ant colony they're
digging and all that stuff but you're
you're saying this is more along the
lines of a wasp
yeah um well i thought where you were
going with that was
fire ants because when they bite you you
know it feels like a little bit of fire
on your skin absolutely velvet and i
thought you were gonna say
this if it gets on your skin and bites
you it feels like a soft massage
or something well see that could that
could be an argument for evolution
if you covered yourself in velvet ants i
mean you could get somebody like
uh oh you know name a famous designer
that could create some kind of a jacket
or whatever that was made of nothing but
velvet ants and just bit you all over
and next thing you know you're walking
the red carpet covered in velvet
just saying i mean if we had evolution
that that could have taken care of a lot
of seams dishes
yeah um well the reason i mentioned this
velvet ant
is because the name is a little bit of a
throw off because it's uh
the sand and only actually grows to
about quarter of an inch long and like i
said it's
technically a wasp but only the males
have wings
and the females because they don't have
wings look like an ant
ah so that's where it comes from but
apparently one one
sting can actually subdue a 2
000 pound cow which is roughly
equivalent to about
13 average humans one sting
from the sand so i've got a question why
that's existing
yeah it in that's that's a little bit
crazy i mean
in texas going back to the fire ants i
mean we there's all kinds of
homeopathic remedies to try to get rid
of the fire ants and there's all kinds
of chemicals we put on
them but how have we not over time tried
to say
what is the purpose of these guys and
how we not try to eradicate them
right because if they've got that much
power behind them i don't want anything
to do with the velvet ant
well this is the thing i mean even if
science
had the power to wipe out a very
specific
species you know say in the insect
kingdom
yeah uh there's always people who come
up with arguments against it
there is actually an official wasp
protection league
okay so those five people just need to
move away
well yeah who who wants to do that
there was a deal and and of course this
is one of our you know
thoroughly fact check deals that uh
somewhere in florida they were talking
about releasing genetically engineered
mosquitoes to try to
drill down the population of mosquitoes
so maybe we need to get some people on
genetically engineered velvet ants and
you know get rid of some of them right
yeah neither here nor there yeah
now i know your animal knowledge is
great oh absolutely
so i'm giving you a soft pitch here all
right
what a fish very good at
swimming swimming right well
there is a fish called the red-lipped
batfish
it's known for its bright red hooker
lips okay
um and it's difficulty in swimming so
here you've got a fish
and he's bad at swimming a fish bad at
all he's bad at swimming it's uh finn's
like a politician it's finn's
server's legs which he awkwardly walks
across the ocean floor
oh poor guy and does he get handicapped
parking
in the ocean well when he's showing up
to the food source you know kind of like
in the spongebob era and they're in
bikini bottom
is he parking in the handicapped spots
well his his shoes don't actually
stop there oh apparently because the
male
is the one with the bright red lips now
in nature
it's normally the female who has the
bright attractive red lips to attract
the male
and for whatever reason in this species
of fish
why that has happened um
it's a mystery because those red lips
still attract more males to mate than
females to mate
wow we we could have done a whole
podcast on
those guys red lip bat fish go look at
that fish
is there a fishing industry behind that
i mean
can you imagine having one of those in
your fish tank at your house
you know somebody comes over and you
have a dinner party and you're saying
hey let's all sit around and
you know behind the head of the table
you get this nice fish tank
and somebody's sitting there saying what
is that fish like oh it's a red lip
saying that that is a very attractive
fish
you never know but but then you've got
the points they're going to see the red
lips
and they're going to be oh what a
beautiful fish she's beautiful but
don't assume it's gender that's right
and and then
then the poor guy that brought his wife
along his wife's gonna say
you know you were staring at the red
lips on that fish and you just did not
like my red lips and i put on this new
lipstick and
all that and that you know once again it
chalk one up for the
red lip bat fish and causing marital
bliss right or not allowing for marital
bliss
i should say now the red lip bat fish
other than
being a bit pathetic swimming um
you know i think it's a good character
you know you have these funny animals
well they look funny but most of the
funny looking ones are pretty harmless
but there's a bird called a shoe bill
okay bill shoe bill and it grows between
four and five feet tall right wow
when you think about it it's pretty tall
yeah i mean other than like your ostrich
or your email
or something like that too many
so anyway uh he's carnivorous
ah he eats turtles fish and young
crocodiles
i don't know i don't know how young i
don't know we're like you know 10 days
old because
you're talking like six months that's
pretty impressive yeah
and it decapitates its prey before
consuming it
does it eat the head you know that i
don't know
only because i just went on one article
alone well
you know true fact checking from the
wolf and the shepherd that as we do
i'm just wondering if it ate crawfish
does it suck the eyeballs out
when it eats the crawfish or does it
just kind of
stir away from the classic crawfish i
just
i just thought of something what if this
isn't a real bird at all what about if i
just clicked on this
link and it was something like middle
earth
but it's on the internet legends of
middle earth and this is a bird it was
describing but i just didn't read the
top part of the screen i don't know i i
think we need our listeners to research
this for us all right make sure this is
an actual animal
yeah uh shoe bill s-h-o-e-b-i-l-l shoe
bill
is this a mythical beast or does it
exist in nature
and is it going to become our new mascot
right you know the wolf in the shepherd
in the shoe bill right um now
talking about where i think if evolution
is real
it has some issues there is a
there's a frog called a gastric brooding
frog okay and this this frog gives
birth through its mouth
so um the eggs get extended externally
fertilized by
by um a male and the female swallows the
eggs which then
obviously hatches tadpoles in his
stomach and then they grow into frogs
and when they get to a certain size
uh she then regurgitates them
well that's interesting there's got to
be a more efficient
oh absolutely that that is one of the
definitions of inefficiency that's like
50 years of evolution that's not like
five million years ago yeah no kidding
yeah uh
evolution kind of dropped the ball on
that right yeah yeah
um but actually this frog it went
extinct in the 80s
right now i don't know if that was
because of uh
you know effects of humans getting into
its natural habitat
and you know made it so it died out or
whether it was predators or whether it
just went extinct
naturally maybe the females just got fed
up and they said you know what i'm
i'm not swallowing anymore of this i i'm
done
i i don't want to swallow anymore i'm
just going to spit
and then all of a sudden they went
extinct it's a possibility
it is possible but apparently i did also
read that scientists are trying to bring
them back
how are they doing that uh getting
richer um
hold of the original cells and dna
yeah kind of dolly of the sheep but
instead gas um
jerry the gastric brood and frog i don't
know yeah well
uh good on science for working through
that
because that is exactly what this world
needs right now
or uh frogs that spit out their young
i mean with with all the problems we got
going on good on science
we we need to pump more research money
into that one
right now the uh the last animal on my
list on my short list which i'm
disillusioned with um
i've saved the best for last unless of
course the shoe build does turn up to be
science from lord of the rings in which
case with that one's going to be the
best
yeah yeah i mean you got the shoe bill
and you got the the
swallowing frog i don't know how you're
gonna beat those right
well anyway now this
this animal i did actually have to go to
multiple websites because the first
information i read on it
seemed so outlandish i just absolutely
couldn't believe it okay
and so i checked on i think it was like
four maybe five different
links and it pretty much all confirmed
the same thing
so whether so you did a true deep dive
i could write like a group where i'd
have to have a peer study to kind of
like approve it or disappoint you
you could get your phd in this is what
you're saying so anyway
there's this shrimp called the mantis
shrimp okay
now at that point i was all in okay i
can believe this
i've looked up uh freaky
um freaky freaky evolved animals kind of
thing anyway and this this is quite high
up on
every single list anyway the mantis
shrimp this crustacean
has spring-loaded punching arms
that strike with over 200 pounds of
force
wow now come on all right 200 pounds
so basically you have an mma shrimp is
what you're talking about yeah i mean
i mean this dude 200 pounds the pressure
that's a lot from eight but even if it's
spring loaded i mean 200 pounds of
pressure for like
now i guess if it means on the tip of
there but surely it would snap
off yeah i mean that that would be
terrible
if you're eating these in a shrimp
cocktail and you grab a hold of one and
it pops you in the finger i mean that
that's gonna end a nice dinner red
lobster if they get those confused
now as unbelievable as i found that
first
fact that was only the first half of a
sentence
let me read you the entire sentence oh
yeah do tell
this goes from a leap of that first part
of the sentence
where you're trying to break it down
into pounds per square inch if that's
what it's talking about
right of like uh force
whereas the second part wait for this
one
so mantis shrimp crustacean has
spring-loaded punching arms that strike
with over 200 pounds of force
momentarily heating the water to nearly
the temperature of the sun
ah well that's that is a hundred percent
believable
x-men shrimp yeah absolutely yeah yeah
what is it
uh professor xavier whatever that i mean
why didn't he just have an
army of manta shrimps go take care of
everything you just get them out there
like
you know punch punch punch punch oh
heated sun heated sun
and every everybody just boils and burns
up but honestly
momentarily heat in the water to nearly
the temperature of the sun now do you
know what the temperature of the sun is
uh i'm gonna say it is higher than 120
degrees
it is higher than 120 degrees yeah it's
actually 27 million degrees fahrenheit
of 15 million degrees celsius so i
wasn't wrong
so if you have a shrimp arm
a spring-loaded shrimp arm and you hit
that water
with 200 pounds of force you can almost
get up to that 27 million degrees
fahrenheit or that 15 milliliter
so it kind of goes back to that article
i read a long time ago and of course i
don't have the facts in front of me
but they were talking about cooking a
chicken
and you could slap a chicken something
like 36 000
times and actually cook it so does that
mean a manta shrimp could actually
smack a chicken once
and cook a chicken talk about evolution
we
we have just evolved every chicken
restaurant
you don't need ovens anymore you just
get a mantis shrimp the manta shrimp
walks up
punches the chicken it immediately gets
cooked fresh chicken
boom kfc i just solved
all your problems well you're saying
this now you know i'm a big fan of
martha stewart just as she's a big fan
of mine
and um i don't think even she could work
out
what the appropriate length of time to
cook a chicken is at 15 million degrees
centigrade
celsius all you need is what like a
one millionth of a second one minutes of
a second yeah
i mean that that's my math brain going
right there i'm pretty sure i did all
the numbers well
apparently and i think their pr team for
the mantis shrimp has been working
overtime
um well of course because their pr team
is probably getting paid well because
they say well
if you don't like what you hear i'm
gonna punch you yeah and i'm gonna make
you the texture of the sun
so uh they can smash uh clam shells
and uh disarm crabs by blowing off
their pincers now you've seen a crab and
you've seen their pizzas
with the mantis shrimp can blow off
now i don't know now i don't quite know
because i
didn't bother reading the rest of the
article but um when it says blowing off
their pincers as it means like given an
underwater breath
of air and it's so powerful that it
actually blows off
the i guess the big questions the big
question
is are these mantis shrimp swimming
around the coral reefs of australia
because this
sounds like one of those australian
animals like you know koala bear a
tasmanian devil or all
all the bizarro spiders and snakes and
everything they have down there
i mean these manta shrimp
i'd i'd kind of like to have a few pets
i'd i'd i'd like to give some as
gifts you know and then just say hey you
know hold him
he he he likes to be held you know give
him little kisses
right there on the nose and when he
reaches out to you and he looks like
he's about to punch you
that's just his way of showing love well
it sounds to me like he's been writing
his own kind of match.com profile or
something
right it's like uh yeah very handsome
crust station i have a
spring-loaded punching arms i can strike
with over 200 pounds of force
i can heat the water to nearly to the
temperature of the sun
i can disarm crabs by blowing off their
pincers earns and 100 000 a year no
children
absolutely yep yeah i i wanted to add
that but yeah
absolutely absolutely so
so you always do all of our research
but when you brought up this topic i was
thinking to myself well
i i've got to try to add something you
know i i can't be the guy that just
doesn't know anything
all the time and so i was thinking
about this random fish right
and of course honestly you know we
talked about some of these
crazy animals in in this evolution thing
and
what we're halfway through these crazy
animals and they're all
you know ocean-going animals right but
there's a
fish that actually makes its home
in the butt of a sea cucumber
think about that it there's a fish that
makes its
home in the butt of a sea cucumber
well you could honestly start to argue
why do we even have sea
cucumbers right i mean we don't have sea
pickles but we do have sea
cucumbers but the crazy thing
is why they actually do this
and it's because it's worked for one of
the crazy
ancestors and it's a winning strategy
but it gets perpetuated by natural
selection
crazy it's just crazy to think about
that so
we've only hit what was that like
six seven animals i mean you could
probably
if if we actually did you know a ton of
research probably dig up even more crazy
animals but
there are some crazy animals for you to
say well
is evolution really coming along is it
making things better how did we evolve
into all these crazy animals and
and go off on these spider webs and
tangents of
all the crazy stuff that's going on well
i think really we need to shift our
focus to the most
important uh part of evolution that has
asked the humans
because oh i thought yeah i thought we
were going back to the mantis
no no um i am going to
i'm going to look him up on youtube
later than
i want to see the water because
obviously if it's heating up
temperatures the sun
surely that's the old ocean immediately
evaporated there
sorry to go back on those topics yeah
but before we get on to humans
what if mantis shrimps are the cause of
global warming
because they're punching everything
because they're all upset right now and
now because they can punch at the heat
of the sun
that's why the earth is doing i mean
science
you're welcome i want no credit for it
there there's global warming right there
all right like two shrimps well there
can't be more than five of them on the
face of the earth that can there
honestly
because you get more than them like i
said i mean you can have to bring in the
avengers to defeat them
at this point yeah that's true that's an
excellent point yeah anyway sorry so
uh we're going to shift on uh
as i said to the most important part of
evolution and that's how it affects
humankind because that's
because you know animals can go to one
thing not many people care if a giraffe
originally looked like a chicken
or a crocodile originally and of course
last night
when we looked in our analytics of our
listeners we have no mantis shrimps
listening to our podcast
no we don't do you think they're edible
i want to eat one i want to eat one yeah
right
so anyway apparently we're humans and
this is kind of a bit of a bleak
outlook really but science is split
between
a body that believes evolution in
humans is pretty much near finished the
natural disaster will actually end
humankind before any type of significant
evolution takes part
that would actually be able to be
measured empirically
um and that you know when we did our
podcast
on uh come armageddon come basically end
of the world
is that you know naturally through
um you know reoccurring ice ages
asteroids whatever that the human kind
is going to be
wiped out once again long before any
you know new evolutionary features like
all we've grown
well and the leg out of our back comes
into play right and of course if
if we're looking at that end times and
in armageddon or
whatever you want to call it in theory
that is the halting point of evolution
because
now everything's gone so obviously it
can't evolve anymore
yeah and so it's it's really uh
transhumanism or biohacking is supposed
to be the next step in a
human evolution transhumanism
transfusion now when i first heard that
i thought
what so we're going to evolve into a
whole species i don't know which
bathroom to use
i think no i mean i i still struggle
with that
because because men's rooms are always
supposed to be
to the right are they yeah and so
if restaurants or places get that
confused sometimes
i'll just turn to the right and i
realize whoops
i don't see any urinals in this bathroom
i must be in the wrong bathroom
but what are those bathrooms i have two
separate and
well access points ah so it might be on
the right for one person
see we need evolution to say we just
need one
access point we need an entrance and an
exit and it could be the same door but
we don't need more than one entrance to
a restroom that gets confusing it does
so yeah basically the
theory goes that you know humans can
only really evolve
now with the assistance of mankind
um implants um
you know ultraman dna rna yeah you're
saying artificially or
or scientifically yeah with some kind of
science
involvement uh it's it's not going to
happen through the normal course of
human events
right yeah and so i mean we're basically
using technology to augment biological
capabilities and enhance the human
experience by that i mean
if there was a way to plug an iphone up
your button and ensure it had a
continual power source
and it could connect to your brain then
your experience of the world of that
information was instantly
available and you could disseminate
between all that information immediately
that your life choices would be somewhat
better but then
does relying
on that type of data then overshadow
your own personality because it's going
to take a very strong person
to say oh well i disagree with those 1.6
million
pages on the internet that had this
viewpoint
and i can't find any support in mind so
does that
then stop you being you yeah but but
could that be
our buddy elon musk's you know goal
with the neuralink you know is that the
next point in evolution because he wants
to be able to put electrodes in your
brain
you download an app to your phone and it
connects via bluetooth
and you can access all the data that's
on the internet
you know right straight to your brain so
you don't have to google search anything
you don't have to look anything up on
wikipedia
anything like that he he wants to be
able to feed that and then
also on the flip side of that throw your
consciousness
into some other kind of artificial
holding cell whatever you want to call
it i mean maybe that's the next stage of
evolution
maybe that's where we're going and like
you say it's
it's a man-made thing it's a technology
thing it's a science thing that
that we push ourselves towards that
evolutionary wise
yeah and you know cyborgs
you know the mix of you know man and
machine
hasn't traditionally had a good press
in sci-fi movies you know it's normally
you know the worst case scenario yeah
bumbling in
like c-3po in star wars where he's just
a pain and
well he was a pure robot he wasn't a
cyborg i mean it was a human machine no
no
fair enough yeah fair enough you're
talking about
well yeah our synthetics i can say blade
runner or you have
um what's the movie i can't remember but
yeah basically
just um well actually you know i was
going to talk about the first alien
movie where
um she doesn't trust robots but that one
guy who turned out to be a good guy was
actually a kind of synthetic he was a
robot mixed between uh
yeah well it's kind of kind of like uh
you know
when people are dating you know the uh
the girl goes out there and doesn't
trust the bad boy
and next thing you know she likes the
bad boy yeah it's kind of the same thing
okay same thing i'm just saying i think
the plot line's kind of going exactly
the opposite direction
but it's been a long time since i've
seen that movie
but you know i mean there's obviously um
with good reason a lot of mistrust about
scientists wanting to put chips
under your skin on the one hand you have
the evangelical christians talking about
oh it being the mark of the beast right
and all this type of stuff and yeah they
what what what is it uh
i think in the bible where they say like
a mark on your forehead or something
or on the right hand or on the right
hand yeah you know the bar code thing
yeah people bring out those deals where
i i saw there was a bracelet
that you can wear now that they're kind
of testing that
hooks up to your phone but it projects
onto your forearm and you can
swipe up and down and people are saying
oh that's the mark of the beast but
yeah i mean there there's people out
there that think monster drinks
have the mark of the beast on them so
you know you got to dismiss a lot of
that yeah
you just got to say oh okay yeah we're
we're
reaching a little bit right yeah now i'm
um
as i said i am not a big fan of
evolution and even
if evolution is going to go this mix
of you know robotics
ai and regular humans
then and manta shrimp and mantis shrimp
where they've got any sense they'll
actually completely
redo the entire model yeah now
you know but um
like i said i'm not a big fan of
evolution when it comes to natural
selection because
we have all walked somewhere um
whether it be walmart on a saturday
morning or
walmart on a sunday morning or walmart
on a
saturday night at like one in the
morning yeah
on a thursday afternoon but anyway my
point is
natural selection it's
it's hard to see that really we're at
our best
point because there is so much diversity
in humans between
you know what we might judge mentally
call a good specimen and not a good
specimen
that's the name but but it's very
difficult to tell that same
thing in the animal kingdom you look at
other mammals now that might be because
we're not
the most uh highly respected scientists
in the world and perhaps people can look
at different mammals
and actually see that all that one's not
got plump enough hips so
it's probably only going to live a year
and a half well and maybe that's why
science actually is saying how
intelligent dolphins are
right you know maybe maybe dolphins they
always put dolphins below
us right but what if dolphins were
actually smarter than us and they've got
it all figured out and like look at
those morons up there
doing all this stuff and and dolphins
are the ones that have it figured out
i mean maybe maybe the ones that get
captured
and turn into the and i
hate to use the term circus performers
but you know the performing dolphins you
swim with the dolphins
and they're the ones that jump up and
and they do everything
they're the ones of the sideshow days
back in the
barnum and bailey days and and they're
just kind of the dumb ones right
but the smart ones are the ones we
haven't even seen i mean maybe
maybe you got a dolphin colony that's
living in the bottom of the ocean right
and they're swimming around
and they've got manta shrimp cooking
chicken for them
and they're just hanging out and they're
having a grand old time and they're
living life and then they're loving life
and
we're the dumb ones maybe maybe dolphins
are the number one
and so by that rationale that could
disprove evolution because dolphins
can't hop out of the ocean and walk
around and do
what we do but maybe they've got it all
figured out and we don't
well if you look at i think if you ask
most people
you know what the point of life is or
what they would like to achieve in their
life they would say to be
happy and our life is so complex in
terms of the variety of jobs we do
all the needs or wants we try to fulfill
but what if dolphins
are absolutely completely happy with
their life that they're mating
um you know eating
they're surviving yeah torturing the
occasional poor poison taking part in
gang rape
um which and which i just want to say
is actually characteristics of dolphins
they can be a-holes
yeah but look at uh remember when
the the tuna industry
had to put all the stuff on their cans
about you know this is dolphin safe tuna
yeah what if the dolphins got mad at us
about that like
look we figured out what y'all are doing
and catching this tuna and we were
taking the outcasts
of our dolphin community and we were
throwing them in these
nets pedophiles and now we don't have a
way to get rid of them because we were
relying on you guys and now you said oh
now we have these dolphin safe nuts like
you know help us out here i mean we send
our outcasts to
go do your sea world shows we were
trying to get rid of the really bad ones
that were kind of dumb that couldn't do
the sea
world tricks and we were throwing them
in the net so we
get rid of those and now the dolphins
are getting all mad at us and saying you
know
come on man just help us out here a
little bit
is um that dolphin to english
uh app available on the new ios
oh no that comes out at 15. we're on 14
right now it
comes out in 15. right okay that's what
i just want to clarify that one uh we
have
insider information that yes that that's
coming out at ios 15.
okay android folks you're gonna have to
wait a little bit longer yeah
um now i think
animals for the most part again based
upon our scientific viewpoint
have done pretty well out of evolution
again
you know there's some of them we
question whether they should be existing
or not because we can't see the point of
them
and there are others which you know are
just plain funny to look at but they get
the job done
sure um and a lot of those really ugly
fish
and insects and stuff are actually blind
so
you know love love is blind so right it
doesn't doesn't really matter
but um going back to humans so i think
we got the rough
rough kind of deal of evolution a bit
because some of these things i think
should have dropped off the charts
you know about half a million years ago
no problem you know i don't understand
why we've still
got these things going on um
and you know what one of the few uh
things which people feel they have a
need for on their body is the little toe
oh the baby tail
because other than cramming it against
stuff and learning how to custom four
different languages
yeah but it is the the one that went we
we all the way home
yeah yeah but um apparently it's
absolutely
crucial to helping you maintain your
balance
if you take it away it can affect your
balance up to 30 to 40 percent
wow so why is it always the one that
gets stubbed on the furniture when
you're walking around at night and you
say you know what i need a glass of
water
and it's always the one that just makes
you wake up everybody in the house
whenever you
you know snag it on a piece of furniture
yeah i mean for something that small
it's got a lot of responsibility in
helping you maintain its balance but um
i did read uh that its effectiveness
is thwarted pretty well by alcohol ah
no kidding no so it's the
the alcoholic of the five toes i mean
yeah
one in five people that drink is the
alcoholic so i mean that makes
kind of sense yeah and i did research
that
fact uh you don't have to look that up
yeah
now now i'm actually a fan of just
having the two
giant big toes on one foot instead of
these five individual
toes oh almost like a duck foot
you know they they've got the the three
that's sticking out yeah but that weight
yeah but but you're saying two just two
two
giant toes yeah just two giant toes yeah
i think that'll get the job done
well you'd probably get the toenail
clipper manufacturers
be really upset because now toenail
clippers are going to last
don't eat toenails oh
no see now now you're getting off on a
little tangent there
i mean so so now that the nails are
going away so now you're putting the
toenail manufacturer the toenail clipper
manufacturers out of business
and now you're gonna have to take all
the shoe manufacturers and say
hey we got to redo these shoes yeah
you're causing all kinds of problems
well it's causing all kinds of problems
with this line of thought well yeah
you didn't even mention the shoe
industry you might have a bit of an
issue
especially with like ladies shoes yeah
absolutely yeah
i mean can can you imagine how goofy
those shoes would look with two toes i
mean
do you point them all together or do you
separate them out
and then does it become some kind of a
attraction
of the gap between your two toes is it a
close gap
or is it a far gap well i tell you one
thing it's going to ruin the whole uh
fetish phenomenon out there because
there's nothing going to be worse
than seeing a really kind of sexy lady's
shoe
and then two big toes stuck in it yeah
in in are the toes equal size
i don't know yeah because because
what if what do you think would be the
prettiest conversation yeah but but what
if the attractiveness
is both toes are equal size and then you
end up with
one toe a little bit smaller than the
other toe yeah and now you're ostracized
and now you're like well but you know
who it could
actually help is plastic surgeons
because now they're going to put
toe implants in to make sure that both
toes are equal size
if that's what's attractive conversely
if one of those toes has to be a little
smaller and
you have toes of equal size plastic
surgery again so
once again medicine wins plastic surgery
wins
yeah um now i don't know when i
originally thought of that idea what my
kind of
time scale was for it to come in but
i haven't read up on um evolution i
think
you and i might be dead before even one
giant big toe kind of like
oh yeah starts growing i hope so i hope
so
i i don't want to see that now i mean
one famous uh
discard from evolution was obviously we
lost our tails at some point in time
at least as far as evolutionary theory
goes i mean
there are other theories about why we
have the cossacks bone
but the main one is because we had a
tail
and we've actually lost our tails
twice no kids during evolution there
were two separate times apparently our
lineage of humans had tails and we lost
we managed to lose them both times
evolution decided
they don't want no more tail no i think
it's because humans are as mean as crap
and they were probably just pulling them
a lot and cutting them off
and evolution just thought this is well
and it it could go back to
a cosmetic thing that uh you know you
remove the tail i mean there there's
things that we do as humans that
something as simple as cutting our hair
right if you
think about that most people cut their
hair
i mean there there are a handful of uh
religious groups and other ethnic groups
that don't
ever cut their hair but we do cut our
hair
and then now we've gotten into socially
acceptability of
baldness in men you know if your
hairline starts receding
used to you'd look at somebody that
shaved their head you'd say oh they're a
skin head or something like that
now it's attractive so
we've always altered our appearance but
that's a little
extreme if you're cutting off a body
part now would you like a tail
if you have the choice no no i would not
want a tail
why i have a hard enough time finding
jeans that fit
correctly and then if i've got to worry
about another measurement on there
besides the length and the waist of
where the
tail is going to go in i mean that's why
i buy jeans once every five years and
once i find a pair that fits
i go in i buy five pairs of those and
i'm like i'm good for another half a
decade
because i don't want to have to go buy
jeans anymore so if i if i had to worry
about
especially if my tail is gonna grow or
maybe shrivel up a little bit as i get
older or maybe
my my tails got some hair on it now i
gotta shave my tail
too much too much hassle to too much too
much responsibility
don't want to deal with that okay we'll
uh cross that one off the list then of
things we don't want back
um now um what i was
absolutely amazed to discover and i
actually heard this
uh back on a joe rogan podcast a few
months ago
that the eye is actually considered part
of the brain
right it is the only visible part of the
brain but it is actually
legitimate for all intents and purposes
part of the brain
makes sense yeah i mean it that that's
one of those
of course the core five senses uh
depending on where you're at in science
you know we have
several senses beyond the main core five
senses but
you know sight is obviously very
important
to humans right most of what we
look at and and see even there you go
once we look at we
we even delineate that towards side but
we're so reliant
upon side especially in this
evolutionary process that we have now i
mean
you're listening to this right now but
most of what we do is through sight and
hearing
touch taste not as important
but sight super important
now uh
if evolution could improve upon the eyes
okay and say it had i don't know another
billion years
or so to work this out how do you think
it could improve on the eye
in terms of spacing size
just you know uh less sensitivity to
bright light
better not well i i think you could you
could put sunglasses
out of business you know if you could
actually get your eyes to
not be affected by the sunlight where we
all want to wear sunglasses and of
course there's people out there that
never wear sunglasses they say oh that
doesn't bother me
if you could get it to where you didn't
have any degeneration
in your eyesight so if you were able to
evolve your eyes to where people didn't
need glasses or contacts that'd be good
getting rid of colorblindness uh you
know i'm colorblind
so that's a problem for me so that'd be
a nice evolution that we
got rid of that but if you could detect
things with your eyes
like if someone's sick and you could see
the fact that they had a fever because
we have these new
thermometers now that you don't even
have to touch the person
you shoot a little laser you hit them on
the head
you know right there on their forehead
and it says here's the temperature if
you could imagine
being able to walk around and you could
see
kind of a uh oh
what's the term i'm looking for you know
you have
you know the thermographic i don't think
that's right
but you can see you know heat signatures
and everything if you could actually
look at a person and know whether or not
they had a fever
you would know to stay away from them
right you would know that they have some
kind of infection
so if you could look at a person and say
that person's sick
yeah even though they could hide the
fact that they had symptoms
maybe they're not coughing maybe they're
not sneezing maybe they're not sweaty or
clammy
but you could look at a person and say
that person's sick
i'm going to stay away from them that
could be an evolution
to where we could be a healthier society
yeah well
well obviously in the animal kingdom
that ability exists to a point
because you have dogs which can sniff
cancer they can sniff various
you know diseases and of you know in in
other parts of the animal kingdom they
can tell it's
sick and it's obviously not just
well it might be based upon some types
of some type of observation but whether
it be smell
or something that they can tell when
other animals are sick i just don't
think
that might be one of those things that
we have lost or that we never had
right so so now going back to the
survival of the fittest or whatever if
we did have that at one time and we lost
that olfactory sense of being able to
smell
whether or not somebody has cancer
somebody has a disease somebody's sick
we obviously didn't make any progress in
the right direction there
because that would have been great and
and you were mentioning eyes but
smell would be the same way uh you know
sight hearing maybe there's a
tribulation in a voice
or something like that that you could
detect that
yeah maybe we had it at one time maybe
we lost it
and so that would be a negative
on the comment or on the column rather
of evolution right because maybe at one
time we realized
that's a healthy person that's a sick
person yeah i want to be with the
healthy person not the sick person yeah
but evolution you know also through
natural selection
comes to a point where overpopulation
can kill off a species or drastically
reduce the species numbers
sure so you know all of these things
which evolution could have given us or
another animal
that you can't make an animal kind of
like
super animal or make us superhuman
because we become almost indestructible
then the species obviously overpopulates
and every species overpopulates because
everything becomes impossible to kill
right you know carnivores die off
because they can't actually eat anything
we we get rid of all of our natural
resources develop
all these spikes on it and so you know
the herbivores can't he
see i get that now um which led me to
wonder
in terms of the eyes okay being part of
the brain okay
would you ever see that the cyclops eye
that one eye in the middle of your
forehead that big eye would be a better
way to go
than the two oh i think so i think we
need
one eye i don't think we need two
because everybody has a strong eye and a
weak eye
i don't and of course i've
fact checked this like crazy like we do
everything
but everybody has a strong eye and a
weak eye
and i remember there being tests you
know you cover this eye
and then you cover the other eye and you
focus on one thing and you can always
figure out what your dominant eye
is so if you have a dominant eye why
don't you just have one eye
right why can't we just have one eye and
of course i think a lot of that goes
back
to symmetry in what is considered
uh attractive or whatever but maybe if
we just got rid of the two eyes and we
just went to one eye
but of course there's several people
and i can't think of the dude's name
he's in congress right now he's got the
eye patch on
dan crenshaw yeah dan crenshaw you know
poor guy
if he only had one eye and he lost that
eye now he can't see at least he's got
one eye
so so maybe it's one of those you know
hey
if you lose one you gotta spare right so
i i
get that part but if we had some way to
protect that eye
and maybe make it invincible right now
you only need one
right so we've just got to grow one
invincible giant
one invincible giant yeah yes
i i did i did actually kind of want to
find out why one eye wouldn't work as
well as two eyes if the one eye was big
enough and had a few
you know genetic modifications sure but
instead i kind of got
drawn in you know on google where it
comes up with the most popular ask
questions
so i typed in cyclops and um
compared to you know dual vision or
whatever anyway so these are the
questions i got
first up do cyclops eat humans
uh i would have to say no they do
apparently
yeah yeah i don't think the one eye is
directly responsible
no probably not um here's one which uh
how many eyes does a cyclops have
six um
as one who is very concerned about the
cyclops history uh
what did the cyclops do now i didn't
know whether it meant like job hobbies
or yeah you know it
fished in the morning and played the
guitar in the evening i mean
i i i i don't get where that one's going
what what i felt
you know what the most pertinent
question was about the cyclops
and i'm glad they asked this one was uh
our cyclops fireproof
i would have to go with no yes they are
oh yeah yeah
yeah see you know nothing about it i
know i i
now you know something about so i i now
have a couple of facts about cyclops
so i i can die happy
right well just to kind of end up here
really
i do have a short wish list okay okay
all right let's hear your wish wish list
um
for evolution if humankind can keep
going you know that's
x number of million of years for this to
actually yeah
what what can we make happen in the
betterment of
evolution i would like an extra arm or
maybe two for aesthetical issues
so about four now is this in case you
lose one or uh are you looking for like
a general
kind of deal with the extra arms for
lightsabers i mean wait
what why do you want extra arms well i'm
thinking at that point in time
when evolution gets there think of what
model of xbox we're going to be on then
and how complex those controllers are
going to be
you're going to need three hands minimum
on one controller
you almost need that i mean what was the
nintendo that came out that had that
goofy controller that
you could never figure out exactly how
to hold it
the wii one no no no before that
it it was after the end i think it was
after the n64 but remember it
it wow it had the little deal in the
middle
not the gamecube controller so i know
the one i know the one you mean yeah but
the
stick was right in the middle right in
the middle if you didn't have a long
thumb you were screwed
exactly yeah all right so so for video
game purposes
ah okay yeah i can get back i think two
because one it looks stupid
one yeah yeah and so of course
no no we're going back to symmetry
because where do you put that third arm
yeah so
okay i'm with you forearms or arms i'd
like to
see an update on the whole toe situation
see if you can't work uh we've been over
there
i know you have a problem with the toes
yep and i think there should be a
uh try out the cyclops one eye on a
30-day trial basis if you don't like it
you can go back to original eyes
i'm sure there is a plastic surgeon
somewhere in california that can
probably
you know set that up for you i i'm
almost certain or or there's somebody in
secret saying
you know what i think i might be able to
make this happen and i'm just waiting
for the right person to come
along and say you know what here's what
i want
here's what i want so so
some scientists believe that human
evolution is far from over
and suggests women will become shorter
and stouter
that that one to me just
completely blows my mind especially with
high heels i mean let's think about high
heels just
right off the bat because it's always
about women wanting to look a bit
taller actually if you look in history
men
actually used to wear heels as well
everybody wanted to look taller but
maybe we're getting to the point to
where
we've reached that pinnacle of height
and
now we want to turn around and be
shorter
you know now we don't have to build our
houses as taller
our cars is taller things like that
i don't know if i buy into the whole you
know
shorter and stouter thing but this is
just women not men so the women are
going to grow
shorter and stouter so more kind of
beach ball shaped
which i think personally is going to
address the overpopulation issue
well it it very well could be because as
we all know
that uh men
evolve a heck of a lot slower than women
do
so we're we're going to have to go a few
generations there
and if they want to get that way then
we'll whittle down the population
and let the whole survival of the
fittest go ahead and take hold
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