The Wolf AND The Shepherd have a quick discussion about Thanksgiving before the big day filled with turkey and football.
welcome to this episode of the wolf in
the shepherd
today we're gonna be talking about
thanksgiving you know that
day that we eat turkey
we typically you know here in texas
watch the cowboys
lose the football game and we
sit around and we eat a bunch of food
and we totally forget about what
happened
honestly now this year 400 years ago
with that first thanksgiving you know we
we go to these
little plays you know pre-coveted and
you've got the kids and they dress up as
indians they dress up as pilgrims and
and you have these little thanksgiving
plays and everything but
what what really are we looking at with
thanksgiving and
how is thanksgiving celebrated around
the world
so as we delve into thanksgiving
in this thanksgiving week what do you
have for us wolf
well first of all i don't think the kids
can run around rest as native americans
anymore i think
that that's been stamped out yeah that's
probably true
that's probably true yeah um well i just
i don't go to my kids things at school
because they're
boring right yeah that's that that's
more of a mom's thing
i mean who wants to see any of those
little shows that these teachers put on
and
drag everybody up there and then you
know the last thing you want to do
the last one i went to which is why i
don't go anymore is they had this
pretend pta meeting and they tried to
tell us about all this stuff that was
going on i'm like
i'm just here to see my kid sing a song
on the stage and now you're gonna put me
through this
horrible crap i i don't want to do this
anymore
so i don't go anymore so shepard's kids
if you are listening to this podcast
would just like to say that it's not you
it's the production staff
the choreographers yes and who's ever
responsible for trying to drag
uh eight minutes entertainment out into
a three-hour event
right yeah so anyway thanksgiving this
year thanksgiving thank you
here we are thanksgiving 2020. here we
are
let's be thankful for 2020. yeah
november 26th
this year okay so mark that in your
calendars although if you've actually
bought a calendar which is from within
the united states it should actually
have
thanksgiving written in there so that
might be unnecessary yeah
true yeah so you mentioned it's like 400
years ago
yeah i mean remember remember that you
got plymouth rock right in
in the car plymouth rock plymouth rock
as 1620
so it is literally 400 years ago
when when the pilgrims showed up so so
here's the
400th anniversary but of course
you know thanksgiving didn't really
happen in 1620
but still almost 400 years ago yeah
well the first actual coming together of
the colonists the plymouth colonists
and the wampanoag native americans was
actually the year after 1621.
there you go and they shared an autumn
harvest feast
and you have to remember these plymouth
colonists were
passengers on the mayflower which i
believe you know a little bit about
uh that that's a trucking company in the
united states that helps you move
right that's all i know about the
mayflower
about half of your stuff might get
destroyed on the
yeah which is pretty much kind of like
the mayflower yeah it that
came over from england now you had some
people on there didn't you
yeah i did you know
i am not a direct descendant of john
billington all of the genealogy
that i have done uh that
i i'm i'm back before john billington's
time
i'm back in the 1400s with my line of
the billingtons
but i am related
to that same billington so
when i hear the stories of john
billington i realize you know that makes
a lot of sense
the way that our genetics and everything
have been
carried down with him because i probably
feel
the same way he felt when he came over
here and there
and look we could have a whole podcast
honestly on john billington
and how he got a raw deal
uh how there was even back 400 years ago
fake news where you could go to
plymouth massachusetts right now when
they still
treat the billingtons bad and everything
else
but you know what we laugh
about it at thanksgiving because if it
wasn't
for the billington family the pilgrims
wouldn't have lasted through the winter
but nobody wants to talk about that to
be fair he did murder somebody didn't he
yeah well they deserve it it happens
they obviously deserved it
but but you know it when i took my wife
up to plymouth massachusetts and showed
her
you know the the areas that you know the
pilgrims came over
and when i took her up there they were
restoring the mayflower to they they
rebuilt the ship
right and it was kind of a tourist trap
and and they have the plymouth colony
and they have all these
people that are these mayflower
descendants and
and they're just hoity-toity close to
elites and
all this junk but they hate the
billingtons
they they truly hate the billingtons and
even when i took her into a shop
and i said hey i'm i'm looking for some
information on a passenger
who i think is related to me and i said
my name is max billington
they they cringe just hearing the name
billington
and it's hilarious because if you look
at the history
the billingtons got the pilgrims
through thanksgiving but no one learns
that
what they learn is this story of squanto
and they learn the story of francis
billington
and and running away and doing all this
and
almost sinking the mayflower and all
that
because it was a fake news
it was yellow journalism it was
everything they could spin around to
make them look bad right now for
more than two centuries after that first
thanksgiving
celebration i guess you can call it
thanksgiving was celebrated yearly for
close to 200 years in various colonies
and states
but it wasn't until 1863 which is pretty
much smack bang i think right in the
middle of the civil war
that well it was just before a1 steak
sauce decided you know what
we're in the middle of a civil war but
you know what this country needs a good
steak sauce yeah so lincoln
actually then proclaimed a national
thanksgiving day to be held each
november now i was looking back at the
menu
for the first thanksgiving and it sounds
pretty good to me except for the last
thing in there
so there was lobster lobster yup
lobster is good i'm i'm with that yeah
uh seal
uh i can't say i've tried that no i
i i'm gonna have to disagree with you on
the seal i ha
i have never ate seal but i
don't want to some some people say you
can't beat a good seal but the
norwegians see all colors have a
difference of opinion on that fair
enough yeah
uh deer so i'm up for that oh i love
venison
venison's great yeah and uh lastly the
bastard of the
bird world swans swans swans wankers
yeah i'm okay with that i mean i'd
rather eat a swan than a turkey
really i mean they gotta they gotta
taste somewhere
i figure it might it might be a bit like
dark cause for many people who haven't
had dark
ducks lovely crispy dirk and dummy is
good
yeah it's different anyway so anyway
this feast lasted for like
three days so i can imagine it was uh
you know a bit a bit of a party but
today nearly 90 percent of american
families eat turkey on that sure
given so yeah it it it's always gonna
wait away from the seals and the swans
and
right which i would have thought you
know
might have been a little more amusing to
have at thanksgiving yeah but
it but who doesn't like to to eat a good
turkey
at thanksgiving yeah i mean you look at
the
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uh television program especially around
american football you know everybody's
talking about turkey it's the turkey
legs
you know that that turkey dish is always
that
centered around football and also
you know you have the white house that
pardons a turkey
every year so it's always centered
around turkey
but it's always also about how you cook
that turkey
yeah i think that turkey gets pardoned
for about two weeks
i don't think there's like a turtle oh i
i think you're giving in pleasantville
somewhere yeah i think you're getting
him too much it's like i'm gonna pardon
you and that turkey's like oh look at me
go and like okay are the cameras off
okay the cameras are up
okay let's slaughter that turkey yeah
yeah yeah let's go ahead and eat that
turkey
now i mean thanksgiving parades are
normally pretty popular in a lot of
uh states specifically in new york where
macy's parade but i think
governor hitler might shut that one down
well yeah well
you know what we could we could probably
do a whole podcast on parades and how
ridiculous they are now
but uh you know
here's the terrible thing about
thanksgiving with me
you know my family they they always want
to wake up and they want to
turn on the macy's thanksgiving day
parade i've never
liked it please i don't want to watch
this
i i've been smoking a turkey
most of the night to feed y'all and and
now that y'all got out of bed
now i have to watch this terrible crap
of
you know some high school band somewhere
that's going to play a song
or i'm going to have to watch some pop
music singer
lip sync to something terrible
i just i i hate seeing any of that and
then it's like
oh well santa claus is coming
you know an hour and a half from now oh
santa claus is going to come at the
end of this parade it's like okay well
it just
it sucks it it sucks
this is one of those things that we just
need to
do away with if if even if you enjoy it
yeah but we'll get rid of it yeah but it
but even if you look at the cove
thing because you know the thanksgiving
day parade is probably going to suck
even if they have it and of course we
haven't done our research but my guess
is
we're probably not going to have it it's
probably time to get rid of it
nobody cares no one really
cares about this parade well i figured
if they have some rioting and looting
kind of prior to the parade starting
they can then call it a mostly peaceful
thanksgiving parade and then it will be
allowed to go ahead yeah but
wouldn't it be fun to ride in loot right
in the middle of the parade and just
start attacking people in the parade
and and just see how they could defend
themselves like oh i've got a flute i
got a french horn i'm gonna smack you in
the head
you you know these little band geeks
that are 10th graders from some high
school
that all of a sudden they're they're
marching in this parade
and some random person comes up and
starts smacking them in the head
yeah maybe this is the time to get rid
of that parade
i mean it who cares about parades
anymore
yeah if um anybody's listening who
thinks the shepherd is serious about
that
he oh i'm totally saying he has been
watching a lot of futuristic
dystopian movies where the entertainment
is generally based around
fights to the death and uh stuff like
that and he's just trying to push it
forward a few
yeah he actually thought the purge was a
documentary so
i did until you explained to me that was
fictional yeah
but um actually there are there are
people who are complaining about
thanksgiving on a you know significant
basis i mean since 19
yeah since 1970 uh
yeah 1970 protesters um
gather on thanksgiving at the top of
coles hill
which overlooks plymouth rock okay and
they commemorate it as a national day of
mourning
so they go up there get all miserable
and then go home to the family and eat
turkey
yeah so that's pretty much it pretty
much i bet they don't
kind of like i doubt they feel so
strongly about it that they
you know eradicate themselves from the
thing well i'm sure they're hoping
some local network station shows up
to film them so they can make them and
then they can leave immediately yeah
and not say it's like hey look you know
we can't let this last more than about
30 minutes because we got the turkey in
the oven
we got to go check on this so can we go
ahead and film this
wrap this up you know to put on a good
show
because we still got to go eat our
thanksgiving dinner i doubt it's
actually a national day of morning it's
more like a national
two-hour window in the morning of
morning yeah yeah
exactly now it amazed me actually that
thanksgiving in its various
forms had existed around the world long
before it was here but then i really
but then i thought about it and thought
about you know all the pagan
celebrations and
you know the you know end of summer and
all this type stuff but maybe it's not
that unusual kind of
kind of the end of harvest
or whatever it is yeah well i mean the
separatists who came over on the
mayflower and the puritans who you know
came a little bit after
i mean they bought with them a lot of
feasting and celebration holidays which
you know is to thank god for the harvest
so i mean it did have its roots
you know it wasn't like when they were
sitting down with the native americans
there was kind of like what should we do
then oh and somebody come out with the
idea of let's have a feast i think
it's you know quite a common thing for
them to celebrate in the heart and
kind of ironic that you call them
separatists and
maybe that's how in england
y'all looked at it over here they were
always called the strangers
they were the strangers they they were
not part of the puritans they were not
part of the pilgrims they were the
strangers they
they were always looked at as this
bizarre sect of people that just kind of
hey everybody wants to come over here
but we don't have a full
ship so let's put some other people on
here
and they're looked at in the united
states
as strangers not separatists separatists
actually sounds a little bit nicer than
strangers well i can't get whenever i
hear that word
separatists i can't get the image of
those funny looking people in
the phantom menace first star wars movie
yeah well
yeah there was a lot of political stuff
in there
yeah absolutely federation it depended
on
how many gray hairs were in george
lucas's beard when i wrote that
yeah now also i mean in ancient times
the egyptians greeks and romans
uh feasted and paid tribute to their
gods after the full harvest so i mean
this has been
obviously a thing for thousands right of
years you know i mean
yeah yeah it's nothing new this was not
invented
it it was a it was a time to say hey
you know we've done good let's celebrate
the fact that we
did good we're we're all sitting around
we're still alive
you know we we didn't starve to death so
i guess that's something to be thankful
for
so nothing wrong with that yeah and i
mean historians did actually note that
the native americans
traditionally commemorated the full
harvest with feasting and merrymaking
you know long before the europeans came
over and basically ruined the crap
yeah i mean that that's um
white people problem yeah i mean i mean
we we
ruined that right i mean even canada had
its own
form of thanksgiving celebration about
40 years before
uh you know america had a hits its first
one
you know the germans even the germans
have one i think that's mainly drinking
a lot of beer
yeah yeah well it so was it in november
because i mean
oktoberfest is all about you know
sitting there and drinking beer in
october
so are the germans saying
well now november's here we're just
thankful
we're still alive we didn't kill
ourselves because we just drank
ourselves silly in october
yeah maybe well i mean it's called ante
dank fest which basically just means the
harvest festival
well that that's a typical word that we
all use in our daily languages i mean
that is
you know around the same time i guess
the end of the harvest but
but going even further i mean japan
has uh some type of festival called
kinro
kanshi no hi and i'm sure that is
such correct pronunciation well it's
authentic i've been using uh one of
those language learning apps
oh on the iphone yeah are you on the the
babble app
no no i think i'm using that one with an
owl on it i can't remember what it's
called
i speak like an owl in different
languages
is that dutch so anyway yeah they've got
that and it's basically called
labor thanksgiving day although it's
room
that the uh ever-growing robot
production lines want to cancel it
so because they still have to work on oh
here we go back with the robots
yeah they have to work on that day that
labor thanksgiving day those robots
don't get that day off
yeah that's terrible right you know we
we should support the robots a little
bit more yeah they're trying to
help us doing their best they are they
are they
there's there's only so much the robots
can do yeah let's be honest
let's not hurt the robots right i mean
we we need to support robot rights
yeah yeah especially robots who don't
know whether they're
androids or cyborgs yeah if they're in
that kind of like
we don't i don't know what i don't know
what word to use maybe trans
is that switch between the cyborgs we
don't want to confuse the robots because
we don't want them going to meetings
trying to figure out what kind of robot
they are
right we need them to self-identify well
if it's
well if you've got a robot whose main
job is supposed to be i don't know maybe
put in windshield wipers on a car
okay i don't want it self-identifying as
a burger flipper for a fast food
restaurant because that's
just you know what maybe that robot
wants to
simplify its life and said you know if
there's too much pressure of putting the
windshield wipers on
cars because what if those windshield
wipers
don't work correctly and i kill a family
but if i flip a burger wrong
it's going to be okay that's a lot of
pressure to put on the robot maybe
i'm also thinking that when you're
working for a minimum wage of zero
it's uh that is a lot of time to sit
around and kind of contemplate whether
you there might be about me
i mean can you imagine a a robot sitting
there
having a podcast trying to talk through
this stuff
i mean it's got to be a rough life being
a robot yeah now what are you thankful
for this year rather than the murder
warnings
honestly i'm thankful for mantis shrimps
yeah i i love manta shrimps i'm still
i'm i'm still trying to figure out a way
to
to create a fish tank in my house that
is full of nothing but manta shrimps and
i want to sit in front of that
fish tank and watch the manta shrimps
just
be manta shrimps i want to talk to them
i'm going to say hey
what's it like to be a manta shrimp i i
would really like to be a manta shrimp
you have all the power in the universe
you can change global warming
you are so powerful that
that is what i'm thankful for yeah and
i'm i'm thankful for
the nfc east this year with the dallas
cowboys
that the dallas cowboys that have a two
and
seven record i think is what it is and
they're still
close to being able to be in the
playoffs
i i'm thankful for the fact that
i can walk around in the great state of
texas
and we're not afraid of the rona and
even though we've talked about a vaccine
and everything else
i still get to do what i want to do when
i still have
liberties and freedoms and
that's pretty much it yeah going back to
the mantis shrimp uh to our listeners
this is once again
a good reason why you shouldn't sit down
and drink a lot of beer and watch
spongebob squarepants
true yeah because again we thought part
of it along with that
octonauts episode was almost like a
documentary
yeah yeah it it very much was well
according to um
one of them well well now wait you asked
me what i'm thankful for
here in 2012 what but what are you
thankful for in 2012
um i'm i'm throwing you a curveball now
what are you thankful for in 2020
yeah no that that sucks right yeah
that sucks you know you hit me with that
one and i
i had to try to the xbox series x is
coming out that's what's in here
yeah but you know what you and i talked
about that before
off the air and we all we already
decided we're
not going to pre-order we're not going
to get it right it at the same time so
so no no you got to do something better
than that
what what are you thankful for
in 2020 uh we finally got rid of the cat
yeah but the cat died no the cat's still
alive and kicking but now lives like in
dallas somewhere
we're talking about konami right no not
that one
oh the one who lived in the house oh
that one who used to play too many cats
it's so hard to keep track of cats i
mean you realize
there's my family then there's
random spiders that walk around the
house
and then somewhere below that is cats
so that's how much i care about the cats
some cats we loved konami yes
yes we miss konami rest in peace konami
but you've got to say hello okay so
so you you gotta have something else
you gotta have something else that
you're thankful for in
uh we got rid of hulu and switched to
peacock
okay better better programs to watch for
less money and no
well yeah there are a lot of adverts
still but i like that
um got a new phone
okay um
yeah it's pr yeah that that that pretty
much sums up
2020. that round yeah it not much to be
thankful for
i mean we're we're barely alive and we
have a podcast and that's pretty much it
yeah i'm thankful for the podcast
it's i don't know what gives it gives us
something else to kind of
concentrate on because you make me feel
so dumb
on the podcast i don't know if i'm
thankful for it
well it's not like i ask you questions
you've got no chance of guessing but on
that note
if i did what percentage
corona transmissions do you think take
place in the home
in the home okay so so we're talking
about family members right
uh i don't know what visitors you might
have um
i don't know i mean it should be family
members in the home but
but okay so i'm gonna
guess somewhere 33
70 ah here we go again i can't remember
which one of the bs
organizations whether it's the who or
cdc said it but they say it takes place
in the whole
so
is this your transylvanian hal
yeah you've got to be careful with owls
yeah so anyways um there's literally
some state governors and mayors from the
usual
places that are basically trying to
cancel thanksgiving
you know pretty much my canceled
thanksgiving how
how are they gonna cancel thanksgiving
what what are they gonna
do to cancel thanksgiving well
if they can if they can't cancel it
they're gonna make it about as much fun
as the zoom life video of a
zoom live feed of auntie nora's
hysterectomy because
the tips include no singing which no
singing which shouldn't hurt
okay so many families i don't know any
families actually seeing it so
so i will agree with that rule
especially with the podcast because
you try to sing all the time so i'm
gonna say
i agree with the no singing it you know
you you like to sing
so i'm in agreement with that
not a bad rule well i'm still going to
call you and sing over zooms and mm-hmm
oh sit at separate tables that's the
next bit of advice which should please a
lot of people
sit at separate tables okay so so
if i'm following you you're going to
thanksgiving dinner and let's let's use
uh eight people right so eight people
are at thanksgiving dinner sitting at
separate tables
i think i kind of like that you know i'm
sitting at my own table
you know what i'm i'm gonna drag my
table into the living room
and watch football yeah
that's what i've always wanted to do you
know i
i don't want to sit at the table and try
to lean my head around
trying to listen to what's going on with
the football game
so okay so far
i'm two for two right the new rules with
thanksgiving well i wonder if they're
going to expand it till you have to sit
in separate rooms because that could be
oh that might that might be nice though
hey
pass the gravy no yeah
yeah but but once again it so far
i i'm good with this reduced gatherings
to no more than eight people which is
going to be difficult for you because
you've got uui from four kids yeah i
mean we're gonna have people now you can
have your dad and that's it
so uh i don't know
i'm i'm i'm kind of liking these new
rules
you know i i don't have to put up with
anybody else i don't have to
smoke a turkey for anybody else it might
be
kind of nice to just feed my family and
ignore everybody else so i'm sitting at
my
private little table watching the
football game
okay so so you're not changing my mind
on this
so uh wear a mask in between oh okay
oh they're they're okay
yeah so so you were saving that no i'm
not gonna wear a mask
i'm sorry not gonna do that i'm not an
anti-master
you know if you want to wear a mask and
i you know i have to wear a mask
whenever i walk into a store
all that's fine but you know what
i'm not wearing a mask in my own house
around my own family
no it okay so we finally found the
divide
well well well actually um again hitler
sorry um governor
cumio of new york advised that all
family gatherings including
thanksgiving and christmas shouldn't
even take place
hmm wants to cancel thanksgiving and
christmas yeah
uh depending on how
terrible your family is maybe there's
something to that
but if your family's that terrible then
you ought to
kind of take a close look at your life
well i mean if you're keeping gatherings
down to eight
you can obviously exclude the ones who
you don't really like that much
for one but also true i also thought
that the best thing about
if they do ban thanksgiving in person
and you have to do it like over zoom and
stuff is
not having to smell your grandparents
farts while watching the football
yeah but can you imagine you know your
your parents if you're
you know of a certain age like you and i
or if you're younger if you're a
teenager
early 20s your grandparents trying to
explain to them
zoom and
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the fact that the hey hey grandpa
grandpa you're on mute you're on mute
put some noise on grandpa
yeah yeah yeah you you've gotta you've
gotta click this
yeah uh uh no uh uncle tom
uh please please stop doing that we can
see you on the video and this is really
inappropriate
that what you are doing on this video no
you shouldn't do this stop stop looking
at
your other monitor if the video you're
watching
this is totally inappropriate for
thanksgiving we
we should not be doing this i i can see
all that going on
i don't know if you've got a relative
like that maybe you should ban them from
maybe i am the relative that does this
let's be honest maybe you're the
relative that does this as well
you know so so as as an english person
looking at the fact that you know
thanksgiving
is this celebration when you had the
the puritans and you had the strangers
they came over
there they're fleeing the horrible
aspects of
england when you were
living over there and you knew that
americans were celebrating thanksgiving
and you're sitting over
it over there in england knowing you
don't have a thanksgiving
what what did you think about
thanksgiving
while we're celebrating this we we take
a day off and
and then you know the day after
thanksgiving we take that off
how did the english think about
thanksgiving well firstly we would never
talk about thanksgiving in schools
anyway so we didn't sure about it
the only way we you
but you did know that the americans were
over here
celebrating through stuff like charlie
brown and that
kind of stuff but you know i mean we
don't generally have quite as much to be
thankful for in england so i mean
it it thanksgiving it wouldn't be
thanksgiving day it mainly
like be a period between 12 30 and 1 p.m
um but no i mean it wasn't something we
kind of missed because we have our own
celebrations over there which you know a
little bit different and
i guess you just get used to you know
what
what's normal in that respect and so you
know i do like the idea of thanksgiving
i have enjoyed all my thanksgiving
you know uh occasions mostly since i've
been over here
um but yeah it wasn't something we
really thought about that much uh
in fact until you had the you know
normal movies and cartoons came out
we never thought about it until they
suddenly appeared on tv and thought oh
it must be thanksgiving in
you know united st but over in england
did you
ever you know in
history or whatever was there ever
something said about
the quote-unquote pilgrims that hopped
on the mayflower
and came over here or was that just
ignored no i was ignored yeah yeah you
just
me it makes sense you just turned up
here somehow and that was it i think yes
that's about the legitimate coverage the
whole event got
you turned up here and formed a country
and that's i think that's probably now
that's actually probably more knowledge
than they actually give you in school
about wow
the founding of a nation you know yeah
well of course
it you know that could be argued it's
it's not necessarily the pilgrims that
founded the nation and all that but it's
kind of a surprise
because that that's such a big
aspect of american culture
thanksgiving you know that there's
always the stories
you put the the little black hat
on your head with the buckle on the
front that the puritans supposedly wore
and a few witches yeah and now we proved
that that's not actually how they
dressed and
and all that crazy stuff
and you know the indians or the native
americans
to be politically correct uh said hey
you know we don't want you to starve and
we're gonna have this big
feast and all that stuff and
now it's more turned into like you said
before the
macy's thanksgiving day parade it's
uh the detroit lions and the dallas
cowboys playing a football game
we're gonna smoke a turkey we're we're
gonna do this
and then let's be honest most people
don't even really care that much about
thanksgiving
they care more about black friday
they care about what stores are going to
be open
where can we rush in there and and
and exercise our rights as
americans to try to find those great
deals for christmas
and just maul over people and say
i want to get that 299 dollar
big tv and i'm gonna knock you out
just so i can go into walmart and get
this tv
and that's now what we look at with
thanksgiving
yeah my wife will look at the black
friday deals like uh
well maybe i should go to target maybe i
should go to walmart maybe i should go
do this
you know one of the kids wants this for
christmas
so if i go there at midnight i can run
in there and get this great deal
i think that's where thanksgiving has
went to now
it's more of a shopping day it's it's
like
let's go ahead and eat a bunch of turkey
let
let let's eat kind of halfway good
home-cooked meal so we've got that
energy
we got that protein running through our
system so we can
run out to a store and run over
everybody
to try to get a good deal for christmas
yeah i mean that's
actually more of a reason to kind of
overeat so you have enough energy to
kick somebody in the face to steal the
last cheat
tv from walmart yeah
i mean that let's be honest that's where
it is
so with that we're going to shut this
one down
and we truly appreciate all of you all
supporting us hope you all have a happy
thanksgiving
and we'll see on the next one