The Wolf AND The Shepherd take a sea voyage to discuss the world of pirates, not the kind that steal music off of the internet from napster or limewire, but the pirates who sail the seven seas, drink rum, and maybe walk the plank.
welcome to this episode of the wolf and
the shepherd today we're going to be
talking about
pirates and we've entitled this pieces
of eight
and uh naturally i haven't been informed
exactly why it's called
pieces of eight so uh explain to me why
we're calling this pieces of eight
well pieces of eight was a phrase
i think most people remember from the
parrot repeating long john silver's
parrot
in um robert lewis stevenson's treasure
island
ah well see that would that would mean i
had to have read that and when you say
long john silver's i just think of the
fish
right yeah yeah well pieces of a
um is actually a real term it
um was based upon spanish coins pesos
that circulated along
with a lot of the other hard currency in
the previous american colonies
and back then cutting money wasn't
illegal
and it was expected that if you wanted
to make change
people would actually literally cut the
coins into different pieces
wow and so the easiest way to cut the
coin up
is obviously having it then having it
again and then having the rest of those
pieces
so you'd have eight pieces when they're
like a nursery rhyme or something like
that
two bits four bits six bits a dollar or
something like that maybe that's
kind of the same thing two four six
eight so there's your pieces of eight
because no i've never heard of it
no well maybe that's just an american
thing yeah maybe
but anyway that's why the british called
the spanish dollar a piece of eight and
that's
literally where those um that where that
phrase comes from like i said uh long
john silva um
he yeah he did have a wooden leg yeah he
his power just used to take pieces of
fight
pieces of fight um
like that so almost like your wife's
constantly asking you for money all the
time his parrot was always just had
money on the mind
well yeah maybe i don't know have you
have you not seen the movie treasure
island you don't need to read the book
there's movies out nowadays
you know if if i have it's been so long
ago since i've seen it i don't remember
it i
i do remember kind of vaguely a movie
being out about it
in fact i think disney made it uh
i just don't remember the movie at all
i'm not i'm not 100 sure to be honest
i've seen the movie i think it might be
a false memory
yeah yeah but but we are sure there is a
movie
no no okay
well i think i might make that up i
don't know if there is a movie there
must be a movie there's gonna be a baby
treasure island yeah i'm sure i've heard
it's gonna be a treasure island sure
yeah
cutting edge research is normal anyway
so um
the earliest documented instances of
piracy
uh basically revolves around the
exploits
of a group called see people see people
see people can't you yeah so so way back
then i mean they were already
being gender non-specific yeah and this
was about
the 14th century as well and it was they
were woke back then
yeah and it's um i think mainly around
the
mediterranean these sea peoples were
threatening the ships sailing in the
mediterranean
gotcha um but yeah why they were called
sea peoples i don't know you could
you could have thought they might have
come up with a little bit more inventive
name than sea peoples
yeah that that's uh pretty lazy that's
lazy riding
yeah i don't know if the people on the
boats kind of looked at the people on
shore and went look it's the land
peoples yeah
the land people and yeah of course back
then you know there's only birds in the
sky we don't have any air people
yeah i guess the same people would look
up and there's a plane flying over like
oh there's air people
well other than the ufos well yeah yeah
yeah yeah
it's the air but those were space people
yeah
well they don't know they come from
space they don't know about the world
outside of the earth
outside of the sky oh that's a good
point yeah
um but there is also another theory that
suggests
pirates as much as we understand them in
terms of movies books cartoons
uh originated in tortuga around the 17th
century so that's like
just about 300 years later and they
actually started off as hunters
um but became pirates because the
government um would actually pay groups
of them to attack and loot
spanish ships okay so it's kind of like
organized government-funded piracy
right now mercenaries yeah exactly kind
of similar to the irs nowadays
yeah basically so the irs they're yeah
pirates yeah
yeah yeah well since the 18th century
actually pirates have been idolized and
romanticized in books
although they weren't necessarily always
renowned for being very nice to people
the kind of whole image you know pirates
kind of took on
you know this kind of story but kind of
persona romanticism
did you have a dream of being a part uh
you know the
only things that i can really remember
about pirates
was playing the game sid meier's pirates
and
man i love the computer game yeah well
there was a computer version there was a
sega genesis version
uh i want to say there was an
xbox version i think i can't remember i
think they might be
but uh i i used to play that sid meier's
pirates like it was
just i mean i'd stay up nights just
all night long playing that game totally
love that yeah
and you know kind of had some of those
things in there about
uh you know the government or whatever
giving you a letter of marquee and
you would get titles and all this and go
on missions and
and do all that fine buried treasure it
was a
it was a fun game real fun game well now
we've kind of
uh decided that we're not sure if the
movie treasure island
exists but it probably does exist right
um how many kind of fictional pirates
from like uh
i don't know books movies etc can you
kind of think of off the top of your
head well what's the
johnny depp character in uh pirates of
the caribbean or caribbean depending on
how you want to say the name
uh you know i can think of him i can't
think of what his name is
it's been years since i've seen any of
those movies captain jack sparrow
yeah captain jack sparrow yeah see now
that you say it yeah
i can i can remember that then of course
you got the
captain hook from peter pan right yeah i
mean that pretty
pretty famous pirate there uh then you
got
one-eyed willie from the goonies uh you
know you
you don't actually meet him of course
he's dead but the whole basis of the
goonies is
you know finding his ship and his
treasure and all that so
so you got that pirate yeah and i
already gave you one
which one the one from treasure island
oh that's right
treasure island that was a movie right i
don't know oh
we we should look that up maybe ask siri
no
yeah long john silva not long john
silvers
yeah well yeah well then there's captain
d's too
who captain d's well that was another
restaurant that was kind of like
john silver's i thought you're on about
fictional pirates oh yeah boy he's a
fictional pirate i mean he was the
dude that was up on the little marquee
saying you know hey come in and eat some
hush puppies and some
you know cheap white fish and french
fries so
and i believe that's all the pirates i
can think of off
the top of my head right there were
actually a lot
and as usual i got bored after about
five or six so
kind of stopped writing past that point
but um there was a pirate called
jack shandy who was um now is this a
real pirate or a fake pirate
fake pirate oh fake he was from a book
uh called on stranger tides which is um
that provided the uh i think the
inspiration for the fourth pirates
of the caribbean movie oh okay yeah
gotcha and um
you've heard of the book twenty thousand
leagues under the sea right yeah jewels
yeah well captain nemo he was the pirate
in there oh
okay well i didn't realize it yeah i
forgot i've forgotten i mean
there's definitely a movie because i
remember uh watching that
and the other one i think was journey to
the center of the earth
that's about digging holes yeah digging
holes a little bit deeper than our
friend bill
souls but yeah anyway so
across my research especially among the
fictional pirates
i came up with a whole lot of myths and
catch phrases pirates
used to maybe didn't used to say and so
okay i wanted to do our usual question
and answer
oh here we go no chance enough getting
the correct answer
so i'm trying to guess whether or not
these are
real or fake yeah sayings but we'll also
educate our listeners because
the facts on here are actually facts
according to the first page of
google yeah search results anyway
so first one did real pirates have
parrots yes no
uh accounts of real man you know i was
i was just i was sure that they
they had birds i'm not saying no pirate
has ever owned a parrot
but there's no accounts no documented
accounts of real pirates ever having
parrots
that's disappointing and actually
outside of long john silver i don't know
if there's any
pirates fictional pirates who had
parrots either i don't know if that
character
is so infamous or notorious that that's
where the whole parrot thing comes from
because when you think of parrots you
think of
you know the whole yeah think of the
parrot on the shoulder just like the
wooden leg you know
john silva had the wooden leg and you
think a pirate's having
you know that was extremely
disappointing it wasn't it yeah
um which brings me on to did pirates
have
hooks or wooden legs not all of them i'm
just talking about right yeah
so you're talking about the amputee
pirate right if
there's an amputee so i i would say
no to the hook yes to the wooden leg
well although it's been exaggerated
somewhat by hollywood
some pirates did actually rely on these
types of prosthetics so yeah they were
documented accounts of pirates
having false limbs uh see what i did
there i made it to where i couldn't miss
that
question there's no half points in this
game
that's just the second wrong answer got
you okay all right
oh for two did pirates say
shiver me timbers no
uh yeah they did
the freight the phrase uh shiver me
timbers
is actually based on real nautical slang
um because timbers that that's um i
think the wooden support frames of a
sailing ship
okay and when it got into rough water in
the heavy seas the ships would like
obviously be
thrown up and down right and when they
got dropped really hard
uh those wooden timbers would shake and
that's where the phrase shiver me
timbers came from
shiver the timbers okay yeah that makes
logical sense
i'll believe that did pirates drink rum
yes yes yes uh do you know where rum
comes from how they make room
uh the liquor store yeah exactly because
there's one not far from
yeah yeah so about 200 300 years ago
pirates
uh used to come inshore and they used to
come to north tarrant
county where the shepherd and i live and
actually go to the liquor store purchase
rum and take it back to the
um ships and prove us wrong prove us
wrong they did well
actually rum it comes from distilling
sugar
right sugar cane see sugar is good for
something yes yeah
um and it was actually pretty cheap to
transport so it became a
pretty staple export and it bought in
good money
um so many of the ships which the
pirates attacked
uh had a lot of rum on board okay um
which you know of course they stole and
although they sold most of it
uh they also drank a lot of it well
absolutely
yeah why not participate in a little bit
of the spoils i mean if it's
if it's all 100 pure profit why not
drink a little bit of it
right here's a good one actually okay
did pirates bury their treasure
no no well it probably happened
occasionally
uh but it was the exception to the rule
um pirates didn't necessarily expect to
live very long
so you know when it came to like
planning for retirement planning for the
future it wasn't really a priority
right you know so yeah they they may
have but again can't be proven
yeah i i can't see them bearing it i i
see them
going ashore spending all their money
you know having just a little bit left
in their pocket heading back out to seed
to go
you know yeah rob and pillage and go
find some more
yeah but um
yeah because that's obviously where the
whole treasure map thing comes from so
they can remember where they buried the
treasure but
whenever you see those maps on the
cartoons it's always very simple it's
kind of like got a picture of an island
which you and i could even draw
yeah well except for the palm tree
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and then it would have like about 10
footsteps and then a big x mark in this
spot and it's like
that's exactly where it is so i'm just
going to yeah so
why even bother with the map yeah i
can't remember that yeah yeah you
shouldn't be burying the treasure yeah
but if you've been drinking a lot of ram
you can sometimes get a little bit foggy
headed that's a good point
that's a good point yeah right last one
okay
pirates make people walk the plank
ooh and that's not a euphemism
i would say
yes it's no evidence
so disappointing yeah their preferred
punishment
uh was actually oh what was it called i
think it was called something like keol
dragon
k-e-e-l oh dragon and it's um where
they'd actually tie you to a rope and
drag you underneath the ship
right assuming assuming you'd kind of
drown on the way but yeah
that was the punishment so really it's
just kind of drowning it's just
an inventive way to do it can't you also
picture them just throwing people
overboard though i mean
you know if the ship's clipping along
you're out in the middle of the ocean
and they you throw somebody overboard
there's no way they're gonna
survive so yeah it doesn't really make
for a good pirate story that doesn't ah
it doesn't
yeah that's why i'm a little
disappointed in the whole walk the plank
thing didn't happen
yeah so um moving on come
by the way that that segment was
extremely disappointing to me
i just wish all those things were true
yeah
that's that's pretty much you look at
pirates but other than the fake limbs
pretty much well no shiver me timbers
they didn't say [ __ ]
okay i just happened to get that one
wrong yeah yeah okay so still
disappointed yeah
i'm disappointed about the parents yeah
do you hear about those parrots that got
kicked out of the zoo
kicked out yeah yeah they uh there was
like five parrots
and they were all cursing at the
zookeepers and at the people that were
coming to the zoo so they kicked him out
of the zoo
oh true story yeah no no like literally
this happened like a couple of weeks ago
no i'm going to tell you a true story
along those exact lines when i when i
was growing up in england the
closest zoo to where we lived was
called colchester zoo and colchester is
in essex which isn't too far outside of
london
well anyway um you know english kids
being the yobs they are
uh actually would teach these parrots
every time they saw these parrots you
know these zoo trips
whether it be day trips or going with
their family whatever would
cuss these parrots to try and teach them
how to cuss right
and so eventually these parrots
discussed all the time and i remember
specifically
uh first time i went to the zoo i went
up to the parrot
and i went like pieces of eight pieces
of eight and it told me to eff off
wow that is a true story
so we're moving on to real pirates real
pirates okay
um can you name any or at least once you
think because some of the ones you're
thinking of might actually be
so off the top of my head
uh i think about
blackbeard that was a that was a real
pirate
he is now what do you know about
blackbeard other than he possibly had a
blackbeard
he had a black beard he was a pirate
i should be able to recognize him in a
lineup yeah and
and that's pretty much the extent of it
well his real name was actually
edward teach well no wonder he went by
blackbeard
well yeah because yeah edward it's not
very interesting
yeah so it's like oh yeah what's your
name yeah edward
or you'll be in trouble once edward gets
hold of you yeah
yeah exactly but he actually intimidates
enemies
by um it coil smoking fuses into his
braided facial hair his beard
and it actually light them so and i
suppose this had a better effect at
night than during the day so when his
enemies kind of swarm approaching it
looked like his face was kind of on fire
wow and he was
he was um a very brutal brutal pirate
but apparently a great fighter
okay and he was actually killed in a
battle uh with a british navy
and legend has it that he received 20
stab wounds
and five gunshot wounds before he was
finally taken down
wow and then they and then they uh
decapitated him i think
um and you know they put i think it was
along the
banks of the river thames in london they
actually put his head
like on a spike or something as a
deterrent towards other pirates
man yeah so that's edward that's edward
oh good old edward woods uh let's see
can i think of another one
uh kid captain kid captain kid
yeah there you go okay now he actually
set sailed
uh right towards the
end of the 17th century i think it was
okay and he um
originally had the assignment to
actually hunt down pirates in the indian
ocean now i think the government
actually again gave him this
gave him this assignment right it's like
hey here's a boat yeah here's some
guys here's some money and and you go
hunt pirates right
but he quickly kind of realized that the
pirates were making a lot of money and
it was a lot of hassle
hunting the pirates so he decided to
become a pirate himself
well probably the smart move yeah and um
what happened to that dude
well at the time there was something
called the british east
india company and it was like i think
the largest
owned kind of like trade company running
that route between india
and britain but apparently attacked some
of their ships and so they're a bit
pissed at him
yeah so he was arrested on the way back
to england where he was kind of tried
and executed
and embarrassingly so he might have
actually been the one who they
decapitate and put his head on a spike
it's either him or blackbeard i can't
remember
okay well one of them did well it
figures the
the two that i can think of it's it's
one of the other yeah it's
probably captain kids now was it was it
captain kid they said
was supposedly and going back to the
whole pirates didn't bury their treasure
thing wasn't it captain kidd that was
supposedly the one that put the treasure
on oak island
that you know the history channel's been
looking for for 10 years and haven't
found anything
i don't know ask siri oh okay
well something else for us to look up
that uh by the time we finish this we
will forget about it and move on and
never look up now
if you can name any other famous ones
other than the few more i can kind of
remember from looking up
they might they might be real they might
be fictional but because i didn't
research it
it's anybody's guess gotcha so who else
you got
uh sir francis drake he must have heard
of him yeah the name rings a bell yeah
well he was nicknamed
my pirate by queen elizabeth the first
um he was actually a sea dog privateer
in this i think
now i don't know whether the name sea
dog came
from him being called a sea dog or it
was called a sea dog because that's what
they were called so i don't know which
came first there the kind of chicken or
the egg thing
right you know but it was a sea dog
private
life sorry privateer licensed by the
english government to attack and loot
spanish ships so another one
added to the list do the government
actually used to you know
employ pirates right well people to do
pirate-like activities to attack
i mean contract labor is always cheaper
they had less risk
and actually and actually later on he
actually helped england defeat the
spanish yamada
oh wow yeah cool so uh
yeah so he was a good guy yeah yeah
not bad now and his head didn't end up
on a spike no
i don't know what happened to him past
that point wouldn't it be ironic if it
did
yeah and he's there he's the only one
that was the one no i'm pretty sure it
was on him no it was either captain kid
or blackbeard okay
one of those two but we're not gonna
find it yeah if um
if any of our listeners actually want to
bother looking it up
send us an email or when this episode
goes live on youtube maybe leave a
comment with a link
i'm not i'm not going to follow it but i
just want to see if anybody can actually
be bothered to look it up
so um i figured i'd finish with like two
female pirates okay
and this story didn't go the way i
wanted it to go but it's still
quite an interesting story but you know
isn't it nice that the pirate world
doesn't you know
separate out male and female it's equal
opportunity i mean
anybody can be a pirate so that's good
well
i think well now you actually named some
chinese female pirate earlier didn't you
oh yeah when you said we were gonna you
know do this pirate thing i said there
was that you know
supposedly i i can't remember her name
but she was supposed to be the most
uh the best pirate i guess is the best
one yeah she was you know she she had
the the most people under command
had the most treasure all that i mean
checking off all the pirate boxes but
yeah some chinese woman you know long
ago or whatever
but not last week yeah not last week not
last month
definitely not in 2020 i mean the whole
age of covid would not let the pirates
do their thing exactly can you imagine
you know you're pirating 2020 and you're
like hey
put your mask on here put your mask on
now we're gonna go
rob and pillage and steal but don't do
it without a mask on we don't want you
catching the coved
yeah i mean the parts can be hard enough
to understand as it is without that mask
over
true face yeah yeah didn't think of that
i wonder if they're mass people or gator
people
oh yeah of course if they get the big
long beards it might be hard to
get the gator up over there for those
people for those listeners who aren't
really into hunting or anything
the shepherd is not talking about an
alligator explain to the listeners what
a gator is oh the
you know the gator is that basically
like a bandana that the cowboys would
wear you know you pull it up over your
nose
and kind of handy storage right there
around your neck
yeah down well anyway the
two female pirates i came across and
then i am popped up
more than once on the first page of the
google uh
search maybe your chinese lady was on
the second page of google which i didn't
maybe
find it but anyway anne bonnie and
mary reed hmm okay well they actually
met
after bonnie's ship uh sees mary's [ __ ]
now bonnie [ __ ] was captain
uh by her lover uh john rackham
okay um and anyway anne and mary became
close i wonder if that guy played paul
paul
old john rackham yeah i don't know
well anyway they became close and they
fought together on a bonnie's ship
well actually john's [ __ ] but it's a bit
presumptuous there that certainly became
hershey
so anyway when they were finally
captured they were sentenced to hang
but they both got stays of execution
after it was found
they were both pregnant really i wonder
if that was uh john
kind of uh populating both of them yeah
could be
now was john executed i have no
clue we did a really bad job doing our
research on this one by
you know worse than normal well this is
it i try and
inspire our listening all right to
actually do their own research if
they're that interesting hopefully
they're as lazy as we are
and then just take our word for it and
uh he was not
executed he escaped in a rowboat
in a rugboat yeah yeah makes perfect
logical sense that's exactly what
happened
okay i might actually have to look that
one up see what did happen
well anyway moving on to today we still
do have modern day pirates but obviously
they're a little bit different
i mean think about the one that uh was
in the tom hanks movie yeah you know the
uh captain i'm the captain now yeah
captain
never seen it captain tom hanks i think
that was the name of the movie
what was that movie called captain tom
hanks that's what we're going with
okay so that's what the movie was yeah
it wasn't the one where he flew the
plane and landed that in the hudson
river
i know it wasn't that movie it was a
different movie yeah yeah
okay well anyway today's pirates
um you know unlike
you know in like centuries gone past
they're actually pretty sophisticated
criminal enterprises
and they a lot of them launch off kind
of mother ships not like ufo motherships
uh to kind of launch their attacks which
is mostly on
oil freighters and oil cargo makes sense
but they're you know
incredibly uh you know heavily armed
um you know i don't know if you've seen
those kind of somalian pirates
one of those kind of like mini kind of
like boats with these machine guns kind
of like attached to them yeah
yeah they look pretty impressive really
unless of course you're on the uh the
end of it yeah yeah that would not be
good yeah but nowadays um the areas
where most of the pirates kick around
around the red sea
uh the indian ocean and i
think it was the waters of indonesia and
singapore
okay now obviously with somalia and it i
think the pirates really came about
because there was so much political
upheaval there
and so it just provided you know like an
ideal lawless kind of hideout because
you know they could basically do what
they wanted and i think it's one of
those things where
you know they kind of play a little bit
of a robin hood type role and bring some
money or money to the people you know in
the ports you know they kind of like
looked upon us heroes type thing give
them kind of a safe haven
so to speak so yeah like hey you know we
know these guys are out there doing some
bad stuff but hey they're turning over
some money to us so we're going to
protect them and
you know try to stay away and not have
the guilt by association but we're also
not going to turn them in but you have
to remember i just completely imagined
that scenario they might have been
completely horrible and murdering and
raping everybody in the pool
as well i like the robin hoods yeah okay
yeah now um
in indonesia which i mentioned earlier
um that you know there are pirates
around the waters of indonesia and
singapore
uh indonesia actually has 17 and a half
thousand islands wow so it's super easy
for the pirates to hide i mean if you
had to take your choice out of
you know seventeen and a half thousand
islands it's gonna be a bit of a
surprise yeah the odds of you saying no
you're not here let's check that one
over there oh there they are
probably not number two so yeah
well actually um modern-day pirates can
make billions of dollars oh i don't
doubt that
um and they've actually been known to
use rocket launchers as well
wow ships like rpgs good for them and uh
in the first three months of uh 2020
they saw an increase of 24 percent over
the same period in 2019 so the house is
actually becoming more prolific and
what era are we in at the moment yeah so
i'm i'm wondering i guess that
you know here in the era of covet yes of
this age okay
there's no stats yeah i mean maybe the
pirates are actually kind of some good
folks and they're like hey we're gonna
just shelter in place here and you know
we don't want to go on some other ship
and catch the covid so right
yeah yeah so i'm waiting for the uh
second and third quarterly reports from
the pirates but yeah that first quarter
was a record breaker well yeah but if
they're all working from home right now
maybe they don't have as good internet
access
and they just haven't kept up with the
reporting yeah that's true
but um although the estimated uh loss i
think it was
annually uh to piracy in those areas
is roughly around 15 billion dollars wow
um yeah that yeah that was a year yeah
it was the annual loss it was about 15
billion dollars most
oil carriers don't actually report uh
the pirate
piracy incidents due to the financial
burden because of the ship owner's file
and insurance
claim their insurance rates uh can go up
by about 30 percent
now can you imagine calling in you know
to your claims hotline
and a guy answers the phone like yeah i
need to make a claim okay well uh what
happened
pirates yeah pirates pirates happened
so i need to go ahead and file a claim i
lost a billion dollars
yeah maybe we can get uh our friend pat
who works for farmers maybe we can get
him to kind of put that in a com
tell these uh bosses that needs to go in
a commercial because you know they do
that uh because we've seen a thing or
two
tagline in the oh yeah in their
commission yeah like in the little
arts yeah and the little farmers
commercial where they got the professor
whatever and he's like oh yeah we
covered that
yeah yeah maybe maybe send him an email
yeah
all right i'll get right on that yeah so
with them modern-day piracy still being
a thing and it's
as i said it's uh actually on the rise
in some areas of the world you've got to
assume
with i'm guessing some of them being
arrested or killed
by you know the police the river police
or whatever that there's got to be
some form of recruitment drive occurring
right
well sure i don't know don't go to like
uh indeed or monster.com and sign up to
be
a pirate i don't think god
yeah i mean you know i'm sure it's not
that popular in the united states but
can you imagine if that really is the
way that it happens i mean you go on
monster.com like
okay uh what am i good at well i can
drive a boat uh
i do have a parrot but i better scratch
that off my resume because apparently
that's not good i can say shiver me
timbers
maybe i should just be a pirate yeah
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