The Wolf AND The Shepherd discuss time travel and whether or not we think it exists. Of course, no time travel discussion is complete without talking about the movie series Back To The Future and the Shepherd discovers a plot hole which frustrates him and makes him have to watch the movies yet again.
welcome to this episode of the wolf and
the shepherd today
we're asking you to get out of my
wormhole
get out of my wormhole whatever what are
we talking about with that well
we're gonna look a little bit into time
travel
uh i i was hoping that
space.com which i tried to steal the
domain name from
like early in the 90s but failed
miserably um as a simple definition it
said
time travel is defined
as moving between different points in
time
now i'll be honest with you if i had
managed to steal that domain name i
would have come up with a better
definition
obviously they didn't get a hold of
webster and asked them to
make that definition isn't there some
old saying that in the definition of a
word you're not supposed to
reuse that word in the definition so
time travel defined as traveling through
time
did that really define anything moving
between moving points in time this is
space.com now
i'll be honest with you i haven't gone
to their website
and seen what else they offer i mean i
wonder what their definition of space is
well i i think they might have been
bought out you know those uh
companies who build those big barns and
like warehouses on like you know
agricultural land
yeah and stuff i wonder if they've been
bought out by one of those companies and
somewhere in east texas they just have
acres of land of these big
bonds you can wear out space.com i mean
this and this is
this is why their definition is uh
moving between different points in time
because
the majority of their business is
basically just renting out warehouse
space in
east texas true true so
nothing wrong with good side hustle well
i went for the
absolute definitive um
explanation of everything wikipedia
and uh they came highly accurately yeah
yeah always because
nothing sells authenticity as much as
anybody can log
in and change whatever yeah that's on
the web page but anyway outsourcing
yeah it says the concept of movement
between points in time which again i
thought was a little bit of a cop-out
because if you really want to
if you wanted to fluff something up if
you wanted to have a cheerleader thing
you'd think
time travel yay time travel right but it
seems like everybody is in a competition
to make time travel
sound like the most boring thing to have
ever been thought of
yeah but obviously it's not i mean it's
kind of a
fascinating topic to kind of look into
we
haven't yet proven whether or not it's
even possible
uh i think it was all what was his name
stephen hawking
that through the little party for time
travelers and nobody showed up
and he said oh well based off of this
you know
the time travel doesn't exist or they
would have shown up but what if time
travel does exist and they're like
yeah you know what we don't want to show
up to your boring party anyway
well that's the same thing you calling
me and saying hey
you know i'm going to have a party over
at my house just because you have a
party and you invite me doesn't mean i'm
going to show up right maybe i don't
want to come over to your house for your
boring party
right that's the thing i mean you know i
thought if i'm gonna be invited to a pie
him hosting a party for time travelers
for one i'm thinking all right i'm gonna
get some alcohol i'm gonna like
be putting on the xbox doing some dance
dance revolution
yeah he's not gonna partake in that
isn't he well it
they do have that adaptive controller
now for the xbox
and that would kind of be cheating so
yeah so yeah exactly it's not proof
that time travel does not exist just
because because somebody did not go to
stephen hawking's lame ass
party yeah yeah because i wouldn't go up
if i had like a month advance
warning and be like is the free free
booze or not free boots because i might
be busy
that friday would have got offended
if you would have actually went to the
party and you walked up and you said hey
uh
by the way uh battery's a little low on
my phone can i plug my phone into your
wheelchair and just kind of get a boost
yeah here yeah
how many usb sockets do you have in
there yeah okay anyway you have fast
charging capability yeah and can i just
set my phone
against your wheelchair and charge it
wirelessly
yeah we're terrible people well
i think he should have you know if he
wanted to get people excited
about science i think time travel is one
of those things
sure it no it's it's honestly one of
those avenues
where if you're gonna get somebody
excited about science because it's hard
to get people
the average person once they're out of
school
excited about science getting excited
about
math and time travel is one of those
things it's like yeah we can get people
excited because when you talk about time
travel
there was a a study done and they
interviewed over 30
000 people maybe like 30 000 4 or
something but over 30 000 people
to talk about time travel or their
thoughts on time travel okay
and 97 of them referenced
the back to the future movies well of
course because those are the greatest
time travel movies ever made
and most accurate yes today absolutely
100 accurate especially the predictions
made in back to the future too about the
year 2015. yeah i mean we all have
flying cars
there's still phone booths out there we
see holographic
movies about jaws and we have
hoverboards
yeah so i i i give that 10 out of 10
for accuracy 100 they figured it out
uh you know we still don't have
doorknobs on our doors anymore we use
our thumb print for that i mean they
they got it all right
they got it all absolutely right and
this is the thing
it's like people want time travel but
they don't want
the consequences of time travel um
again in this same research thing and i
think
you know the person who was writing up
the questions probably uh
wrote this sentence because i doubt the
people who answered it gave this out
somebody
they said the use of a hypothetical
device
known as a time machine okay right it's
like hypothetical yeah because
yeah yeah really because i thought i
existed i thought i could like go to
walmart and buy the cheaper version for
like 19.99 rather than going to best buy
spending the full 300 and guarantee i
wouldn't be like
heading back to the dinosaur thing you
know i mean well it
you could have but apparently there's
bots now on the internet that buy up
stuff like the new xbox and the new
playstation so maybe those bots are
buying up all the time machines
so maybe they're out there we just can't
get our hands on them unless you go on
craigslist
and somebody posts a picture of it but
then you go in this sketchy neighborhood
with cash trying to buy one
well according to this study and
originally i was gonna
dis it because it's an online university
but now like
obviously in what i do we in check we
are in the age of well in the age of
coverd
a lot of universities are online so this
is an online university so we can't
discredit it because it's like even the
even the um ones with some kind of
reputation are online
but 82 of people believe time travel
will be invented or
proved within the next decade wow but
then the next 10 years
yeah well you know maybe maybe we can do
that i mean we
we did go to the moon in the late 60s
right legend
here we go and maybe we need to do a
podcast on that but
you know we we went to the moon not
allegedly we went to the moon back in 69
through whatever it was 73 74
i think was the last time we put people
there and here it is 2020 the age of
covid
and now we're talking about sending
people back it's like well
what what was so hard about that we
figured it out 50 years ago
and now all of a sudden we have to
re-figure this out i mean
literally it brings to mind the reinvent
the wheel
scenario like couldn't we just dig out
some of the old stuff and say hey let's
you know slap coat a turtle wax on this
and shoot it back
up there yeah and i think nasa pretty
much
word for word took that approach you
just
described which probably explains why
the government
kicked it out within two minutes for
review in the paper but uh
what age did the concept the age of
covert
yeah oh oh wrong not not the age
covering okay because we're now in the
asia curve
that's right that's right okay um at
what age
of the shepherd did you
first know or hear about time travel
outside of obviously back to the future
who
are not sponsoring us by the way we just
like the movies yeah
i i will take a free delorean though if
uh delorean wants to sponsor us but
uh when did i first hear about time
travel
well think about it even if it wasn't
like introduced think about it
i wish i could go back and oh gosh it's
got to probably be before
back to the future because you always
think about you know when you're
hearing about history you're hearing
about stories from the past whether it's
you know the bible whether it's uh
just your normal history whether it's
world history american history
like oh you know that would have been
kind of cool to see even if it was
something in the
kind of recent past i mean there's
there's stuff that's happened
you know within the past say 50 60 years
that i wasn't alive for that
i would have honestly kind of liked to
have seen even stuff that was on
film when film was invented or
photographs or whatever
it's one of those things where you're
like yeah that would have been kind of
cool to be there
you know be that whole fly on the wall
scenario now what year did the first
actual uh back to the future movie come
out 1985
1985. so you were still sucking on your
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now when that came out i mean did you
have
any type of concept of
time travel probably not
probably not at that age i mean it was
still just kind of a
thought you know how cool would it be to
witness some events
not actually interact with them but just
witness them
once again that fly on the wall scenario
i mean the reason i'm asking that
is because like i said 97 of people
reference that sequence of movies as
their understanding or
basic understanding not total
understanding right
or of when they were introduced to the
concept of time travel yeah
it in 97 you know it that always
that seems kind of high yeah the the
girl that cuts my hair
tomorrow i'm getting a haircut and the
girl that cuts my hair
shout out to kimberly uh has never seen
back to the future
and that kind of bothers me i mean i
almost didn't want to let her
cut my hair anymore and i keep joking
with her look you're going to watch
these movies
or you're going to stop cutting my hair
because
every person should have seen back to
the future right
and you know what say what you want
about two and three i like them all
back to the future one quite honestly
they they even study that
in film school so take the time travel
part out of it right
they study that as the perfect script
for a movie well you actually to
interject there
the reason they do it is because they
actually call that one of the most
perfect trilogies in terms of how
everything ties in
yeah because it was like they wrote this
entire script in one day
and broke it up into three different
parts and it's you know for as long as
they actually
the gaps they filmed the movies i mean
it is almost like a seamless trilogy i
mean you watch
that it is i mean it is a great example
of if you can have a movie which really
you could have probably done in 30
minutes
but you spread it out to three different
movies should it be
entertaining still you know the same
kind of plot line i mean that's why they
study it because it was
it was it's renowned as one of the best
trilogies of all time
not only that terms of quality but don't
forget about when they were
filming two they filmed two and three at
the same time
so it kind of helped in that when you
saw two
and honestly i think even if you have
two on
dvd or whatever but i remember seeing
two in the movie theater
and when two ends you
see the preview immediately for three
right they had already filmed the vast
majority
of three whenever two came out so it was
that just
seamless they had a date you know hey
it's gonna be released whenever
i think it was like 89 or 90 or
something like that for three
so it you know they already had that in
place that
back to the future comes out and they're
gonna have two and three
and and they knew it was coming yeah and
just to shout out the
wakowski brothers it is possible to film
two episodes of a trilogy
and actually make them good if you're
filming them back-to-back that's
that's a non-shout out to matrix two and
three
yeah cause that didn't go so well no no
there's some other trilogies out there
that were
have certain parts that were great and
then somebody decided to
sell out and kind of ruin certain
people's childhoods
but george lucas will remain unnamed
um i'm pretty sure
like before back to the future there's
been plenty of people through history
who in their own um equivalence of
having a shower
i've had the hypothetical arguments i
wish
i would have won with people in high
school when they're like
64 or whatever and wishing they could go
back in time and change things or if i
just went back in time and changed this
one event
my life would be better sure right yeah
i mean
you stop and think about i'm sure on a
daily basis a lot of people
you know they get into a meeting let's
say a
zoom call now in the age of cobit or or
a phone conversation
uh because you don't have as much
face-to-face interaction anymore
uh and then that ends and you
go 30 45 minutes later and you have that
oh man i should have said that you know
if i could only go back and just
say this part but that's kind of but
that's kind of minuscule in a way
compared to
life events like if you could go back i
mean it's like the old
al bundy al that whole bandai is not
egyptian
al bundy thing from her married with
children
you know when he's a quarterback and he
like through whatever
yeah you know i mean we all have these
scenarios where we could go back and
change
one thing where our entire lives would
have changed now when it comes to work
like you were just mentioned i
should have said that that's small stuff
and it may or may not have changed much
at all but
you know the majority of people have
these kind of things that they think
if they went back and could change one
thing or just this little sequence of
things
their entire life would be better and
everything would be perfect
yeah there was a writer at one time i
can't remember who it was
that had said you know your life's only
really a series of like
you know eight or nine huge moments you
know huge
choices huge decisions that you make and
you find yourself at that crossroads and
you realize okay
if i go left you know this happens if i
go
right this happens but i've got a turn
i'm at an intersection so i've got to go
one way or the other and you always say
well
what would have happened if i would have
went the other way
did i make the right choice talking
about time travel i remember
was it uh was it amazon
that came out with the uh the jfk deal
the 1122 63
had uh i can't remember the guy's name
that was in it it was
one of those like five or six part
series
and he's got this ability to travel back
through time
what's the series is series serious
seriously
i i invented that word is that like
blu-ray version yes
okay and so the whole premise of it
is that he can go back and stop the
kennedy assassination but then he
realizes
when he stopped the assassination the
world
went into nuclear war and everything was
destroyed
and so it was better to actually let it
happen
so just because you think you're doing a
noble thing or
taking that other turn in a tragedy
doesn't necessarily mean
everything else turns out better that
whole butterfly effect
you know butterfly flaps its wings and
all of a sudden this starts moving that
starts moving and all kinds of other
things are affected by it
yeah that um leads me to two points
and actually reversing back to one of
the podcasts we did
earlier in the week about alzheimer's
i've actually forgotten the second point
but the first point we did a podcast
about alzheimer's
because i don't remember that did we or
did we not um i thought it was oh no we
did one on memory i think oh
i i already forgot about that maybe we
didn't do it i know
i think i wrote the notes oh anyway it
doesn't matter anyway the point is
no there was a um talking about the
kennedy assassination thing
um there was a uh
similar thing i think it was on
something like the twilight zone or one
of those type
shows where this guy was a amateur radio
enthusiast
like um you know short band radio yeah
and for whatever reason you really don't
have to get into it because if you're
watching the twilight zone at 11 o'clock
at night i doubt the exact science is
really gonna like throw you off not
watching it
but anyway he managed to get in contact
with his grandfather in world war
ii who actually died on a ship oh yeah
well they they made a movie about that
too yeah and this is probably it because
this might be complete bs and i'm not
remembering it correctly remotely but
let's not because we obviously let's not
change the track on that oh sorry about
it
yeah so anyway um he's managing to
contact his grandfather and
he warns him that his ship is going to
be sunk by a german u-boat
and he mourns his grandfather and that
ship doesn't get sunk
and he goes to bed that night falls
asleep and wakes up in the morning
and he's waking up to the sound of
marching he looks out of his window and
there's a whole bunch of nazi
troops marching down his road and so
even though he tried to do something
good it had this unforeseen consequence
right sometimes you have to let things
happen
you know for things to materialize for
the better
and i guess that's the one thing about
time travel you think you're going to go
back and change this and this
but it's very polarized in terms of oh
how this how is this going to affect my
life
but you don't realize the knock-on
effect of how it might change everybody
else's life and circumstance
yeah i mean let's take something kind of
near and dear to our heart right if it
probably wasn't for covid
the age of kovid that we're living in
right now we would have never started
this podcast
that's true but let's be honest yeah you
know i i
was you know going back and forth to
work didn't have the opportunity
for us to be able to get together sit
down
and and put a podcast together so if we
would have went back
in time what a little more than a year
ago
and one duty to bat and you just go
ahead and knock him off and
kovid never spreads we wouldn't actually
be doing this podcast right now and that
science is too deep we need to
get that down there i know we were bored
had nothing back to do so we made a
podcast i was trying to make a better
exclamation mark
so anyway um there you go i'm writing
out the secrets again
you're not supposed to be letting out
the secrets the romanticized
introduction of time travel
came from hd wells uh in 1895
hd wells are hd there ain't no hd
wells well well maybe there is
probably not as popular okay actually
from the podcast
you did with uh kevin the other day yeah
when you have to actually register your
name and can't have
oh you know names which are similar
there probably is an hd
wells out there but he just didn't
produce anything worth crap so that's
probably about
him yeah yeah so anyway hg wells
um in 1895 uh
released his novel called the time
machine which i'm actually happy about
for two reasons
i wonder what that was about um well
this is the thing
i mean you you pick up that book
right 1895 or maybe 1896 depending on
how long it takes your printing press
local printing press or your local bonds
noble to get the book out there in
circulation or or your public library
right yeah they know
kelly might kelly might have a copy of
that book at the public library we love
kelly
and um yeah so anyway i love that book
just because of the title because you
know what you're getting
right right yeah there's no virtue
signal in
nothing i mean everybody knows their
roles and like i can't tell you like
when i
in um high school they gave us this book
to study and it's called to kill a
mockingbird
and i thought it was a guide
i can't tell you how disappointed i was
i got to the end of that book
no no bird deaths whatsoever i enjoyed
the movie
but the book was a disappointing
disappointing uh
thing based upon the title well not only
that but i'm surprised they allow that
book in texas because the mockingbird is
the state bird of texas
well i mean what why haven't all the
texans got together and say hey
who would want to write a book about
killing our statements there were no
deaths in the book
so i think oh well see i didn't read
them well no it's probably summarized
online
so people get mad they look it up that's
like oh no birds were hurt
in the production of this book and then
they just kind of well that was one of
those books i think
everybody was supposed to read i just
you know i i don't know how to read
books so
i i didn't read it i'm sure i probably
had to do a report on the book
and i probably plagiarized the whole
thing but i already got my
high school diploma so and you know
statute of limitations
bam online son 29
but anyway i've got this new section
normally we do stump the shepherd
um which is oh give me
you're not going to try to stump me so
you're going to stump me in a different
way
that we're not doing stump the shepherd
no this this is indict the shepherd
oh so this this is a segment where if
anybody records
it it can be used in court against me
against you
to put you in jail if any of these
things actually happen so it's this is
the indict the shepherd
version but it's on time travel
okay yeah all right which we all know is
bs so
you're gonna be right i'll do it so
first question coming from the guy that
says we didn't land on the moon but
okay no i didn't say that i just said
allegedly
okay i i don't know remember you have to
think the whole thing about
landing on the moon right we're in a
very cold war era
and there are a bunch of countries which
were kind of
you know to the tatar in between like
russia or america
russia america which way do we go
communism capitalism yeah whatever
and the first nation which would have
landed on the moon would have convinced
a bunch of these kind of not so
i don't want to be rude about it not so
smart nations to actually follow
one side or the other east versus west
right
and so you know it was very important
that we landed on the moon because a lot
of these
countries which sell oil and have gas
pipelines
and have great i guess you want to call
it interim
strategic shipping you know locations
it was very important that they sided
with the west over the east
so if we really had to throw everything
into faking it
it would have been the best decision we
would have
ever made in terms of guaranteeing peace
and making sure we didn't head to
nuclear war
and that's my only kind of thing on it i
i think we landed on the moon
and stuff i don't believe some of the
stuff around it but
you could absolutely understand and
apologize
if we didn't given the stakes yeah
okay fair enough yeah so anyway it's a
long thing so
anyway but we landed on them yeah
probably
i'm a bit worried about sending a woman
to mars
why well look
why have there been no women on the moon
well now we're gonna get into this huge
philosophical discussion of something
spicy
why have we not sent a woman to the moon
tell me why we haven't sent a woman well
no i'm asking you
because they can push the same buttons i
mean i know a woman
can't play quarterback in the nfl but
there's no reason why a woman can't hit
the same buttons
well now that could be argued because
the dallas cowboys
severely need a quarterback and there's
probably some women out there that can
play better than that but
my sports
here we go here if you had free use of
anne
and i'm stopping here because i did not
uh copy this link from pornhub
if you had free use of that anal ogus
analga and analog how do you pronounce
that word
analogous anal ogus
movement yep yeah if you had free use of
that what would you do with it
given we haven't described what the word
means or can't pronounce yeah what would
you do
i i would use it to
go fishing yeah that's probably good
well actually
what that word means because i actually
bother looking it up
that means the free movement in time and
space so you had
free movement in time and space what
would you actually do with it why can't
they just say that
well because they had to put that
analogous and analogous
so we've got this terrible definition
for time travel but then we have this
fancy word for that
so so what would i do with that yeah
with time travel right
so basically where would i go what would
i do right
oh man you see i know
instantly the answer to this question
anytime
anybody ever asks me okay because i
don't
i mean there's so many i i've got this
just laundry list of things that i would
want to go
see uh and it would be hard to
to pin one specific one down
are you trying to pin me down to one
like you know okay let
me ask it this way then if there was one
thing you could go back in time and
remember we had this conversation about
knock-on effects not the butterfly thing
right because that's
a little bit [ __ ] away but if there
was one thing you could go back and you
honestly think bam this would change my
entire life what would it be
um your analogous just
my life right yeah not not the life of
humanity
not not the country no just just me
i don't know i
i've got a couple well you see the thing
is
if if i said a couple you've already
failed the test chef
stop i've already found the test see
yeah all right there is the test
on this and it's in a very official test
right
okay but i didn't write it down so i
can't tell you what it was
but most people can within two
seconds bring up
something that they would like to go
back and change
in terms of what they blame for
what is not happening in their life
which they would like to if you can't
think of it in two seconds
there is actually nothing you could go
back that would change to make you any
happier
hmm there was a book
um might not have been a book might have
been a commentary i don't know again i
didn't research it
very well by a uh uh pastor
who referenced about everybody saying oh
if only i could have oh if i could go
back in time i'd do this
coulda woulda shoulda yeah and it's
based upon the fact that
up into that point in your life your
conditioning your experiences and
everything else you would still have
made
that same decision 99.9999 whatever
percent
type of the time there are very few
decisions in our life
which are a toss of a coin it could have
gone one way or the other so when people
say
oh if i could go back in time blah blah
blah they're really talking about if i
had the four knowledge
and i went back if you put anybody back
in that situation without
knowing what they know they would still
pretty much always make the same
decision so when everybo
so whenever anybody says if you could go
back in time
it's always with the four knowledge you
have
now yeah what would you go back and
change but then it's
a very linear constructive idea of if i
did this
it would lead to this but again you
ignore the knock-on effects
and the effect that it might end up of
you dying the next day and you would
never have got
this point you want to change in the
first place yeah what's that old
if i would have known then what i know
now i think there was even a song that
had that in there
so basically that's what you're saying
yeah
that we we never know the cause and
effect and again that's
you know the whole butterfly effect
which has been proven a million times to
be bs but it's a simple
idea of you know small things can have a
large impact
um right one of my uh friends
um avoided dying on 9 11
because the bus arrived three minutes
late she was supposed to be doing a tour
of the world trade center on that day
wow
and she missed the tour by 30 minutes
yeah
if it the bus had turned up on time she
would have been dead now the reason the
bus didn't turn up on time
was the guy was sick and
was actually staying at home on the
driver bus driver
yeah he he was on the toilet called in
they didn't have another driver to take
that bus and so they had to okay just
turn up when he can so he was a few
minutes late
everybody was like everybody's
connecting on and they had to hold up so
too many passengers but she would have
died
on that day she would have died on 911
doing that tour plus all these
international
student cfl englishes the foreign
language students yeah if she had caught
that
bus so when you talk about the butterfly
effect yes it can be
very very small things but for the most
part
no a butterfly flapping its wings is not
going to cause right
you know like a hurricane yeah and
that's one thing that people get i think
there was another story about
uh seth macfarlane he was supposed to be
on one of the airplanes that struck the
trade center and
he was hung over or something like that
missed his flight
or i'd vaguely remember
something about that but yeah there's
all those weird things one of my wife's
favorite movies
is called sliding doors and uh you'd
like it there's a lot of british people
it yeah i wouldn't like it because it's
romance i don't watch something is that
the one with them that blonde woman who
married
uh chris martin what's her name oh i
don't know who she married
uh she's the crazy one it was yeah it's
a ripoff of serendipity wasn't it
no i don't think so no it's a ripoff of
ceremonies oh one one of the movies
that's the other one well it's called
sliding doors
paltrow there yeah yeah yeah yeah the
one who married christmas
oh okay i know she married him yeah yeah
sorry
for that dude but anyway you know that
in that whole premise
there was something in the movie where i
don't remember if she
like you know trips or something and
misses the the train
you know and so the whole premise of the
movie is if she would have made the
train this is what happens
and if she would have missed the train
this is what happens
in the movies trying to fool you into
believing oh because she made the train
everything turned out great for whatever
but then in the end it's basically
the exact same outcome so it was just
kind of taking two different routes to
getting to the same end game
i just want to say no to the listeners
out there over the last
18 months have downloaded about
40 romantic movies for the shepherd and
his wife and so
when he's giving it all this blah blah
blah something and maybe
blah blah blah and this and that that he
actually knows full well because he
has sat down and watched this movie with
his wife but also
i need to actually add serendipity to
the list because i don't think we have
that in the romance folder on the uh
hard drive serendipity movie though
it doesn't really have anything to do
with time well yeah that's how about
since yeah you know in in and then all
of a sudden
yeah just right all of a sudden happens
now you're absolutely right but
but you know what that that's a good
movie i mean i like a good john cusack
movie
when he's trying to be that type of
character
uh in any was in that movie but uh
time travel if that's what you want to
choose when you're mm-hmm
anyway so um
if you had to go back and this is a no
consequence question question right
no consequence no consequence because
you know you asked people oh you have to
go back in time what would you do and
they're like oh yeah i'd kill hitler
yeah he might have made things worse but
don't matter with no consequence
if you could go back in time and punch
somebody in the face or punch them in
the balls or the jj
who would you go back and assault
you don't have to use their actual real
name you can use their initials
they're probably not listening to this
anyway because you know
um that's a very long list uh
top there's got to be a top person you'd
go back and punch
are we talking about just somebody kind
of you know in my life so yeah speaker
we're talking about a famous no not a
famous person because i'd go like
you know i mean i mean if we asked that
question i'd be just
like going in a forest or whatever and
punching the chimpanzees in the face
cd because they're high enough remember
cd
and we'll leave it at that all right
fair enough is that a woman or a male
at that time at that time what did they
identify as uh honestly
uh it was questionable at best even
background
fair enough you've probably answered the
question with that
um so if you have the choice
of traveling to the past okay to correct
things and remember because of that
kind of study i bought up where i
couldn't remember who did it or whatever
right um or going to the future just to
be really nosy about
crap which one would you decide because
obviously
you took longer than two seconds so you
don't really need to go back to the past
or but if you go to the future and have
a glimpse of what crap's going on
which one would you choose past past why
absolutely
because i i would want to witness some
things firsthand
we we have this now this is within your
lifetime
oh this just yes okay so this is not can
i
go back to the continental congress and
watch them yeah
you cannot watch a t-rex kind of like
okay okay
this is in my life then i'd go to the
future
obviously why what would you be nosy
about what would you bring back
figure out if i ever get a delorean
well that's you see that's based upon a
lot of factors which could change
now that's not and even if you have that
knowledge you finally get one
you've got to reverse engineer that to
how did you get one
yeah but knowing it kind of like
bringing it back
because you can come back and you can
make decisions which
i think are going to get you a delorean
but now you start making decisions which
stop you from getting that delorean
yeah but it's like right now the paradox
but you know what though
even in the back to the future movie
when doc brown's talking about you know
it
it's good to know that you know i made
it 30 years i get to see
1985 that i get to travel through time
and i've invented this and i've done
this
it it probably helped him along knowing
that
hey i was able to continue on my
timeline
knowing that i was going to succeed at
something finally because if you look at
the way the movie's based and when
marty goes back to 55 and he sees doc
and he's got this failed experiment and
this that and the other and he's
not able to do anything that he can make
work
but then doc says hey you know i just
need to keep plugging along
because i did invent this time machine
so you know maybe he was having a bad
day and
he said to himself you know i i'm just
i'm no good as a scientist
i'm going to go work at whataburger and
flip hamburgers now
but then when he saw that if he just
continues down that path he's gonna
invent
the delorean time machine then boom it
maybe that gave him
that kind of push to keep plugging away
at what
he's been doing i've just realized we
could literally
piss upon any movie script that has ever
been written and make sure it never got
filmed
how because we have such a
i i think this is actually applicable to
everybody okay that
you know when people i mean just like
when we were talking about you know star
wars trilogy prequels everything else
that would go back change this change
this
we ignore you know the effects it would
have on everything else in the sequence
right
okay because we don't like this part of
the movie oh let's cut this part out
it doesn't explain this it doesn't
explain this and then somebody else
comes along and says look yeah you
didn't like this
bit but what you don't understand this
is what influenced this character to do
blah blah blah
right and a lot of the time when we
watch movies again we watch it on a very
linear fashion
yeah we set what we're presented with
and we think oh yeah i would have
changed this i would have changed this i
wouldn't have done this i wouldn't have
done this but
you have to remember the majority of
people make very stupid mistakes on the
spur of the moment
and so if you actually took this part
out of the movie
the movie would have ended very
differently and you probably wouldn't
have enjoyed the movie overall
it's probably about it and that's a very
complicated thing when it comes to i
would change this
i would change this it doesn't matter
what it's about when you put in the
whole course and effect
thing of it you know you you kind of
take out
well i want this goal i'm going to kind
of reverse engineer it by not making
this happen or making this happen
but then expecting it going along this
linear line
of getting to a certain goal where
nothing else is effectuated
right that you know nothing is going to
change it's like i do this
and it results in this goal and that's
not how it works in anything not in the
most
basics of science i mean you know when
when you talk about
you know you're going you know into the
future and looking at
things the knowledge you gain from going
into the future
might absolutely prevent that future
from happening because i can guarantee
you once you've had like
you know 19 alien ales yeah
um down your throat you're gonna say to
somebody
oh well i bet this or i bet that or this
or that and that one person
may have wickedly kind of accept the
comment you've made but maybe mention it
to somebody two years later and it
changes this
it changes that and again going back to
that butterfly effect which is not
accurate
in the minuscule things but you know you
might actually stop
something happening in which you when
that is true to the future to see
so i mean if you have the choice between
free time travel to the past
or have an exact clone of yourself
now to do all the stuff you don't want
to do
what would you choose free travel to the
past
so if you could go back and change small
things where you don't think there would
be a consequence you'd choose that
rather than having a clone now which
would do all the crap
you don't want to do yeah no i i'd like
to
you know once again be able to just you
know fly on the wall maybe change a
couple of little things
just maybe you know out of curiosity
sake would be it you know
and the stupid examples that i can come
up in my
head are you know
little mistakes that i look back at like
you know i i traded this car in and i'm
pretty sure i could have got 500 more
dollars on my trade if i'd have pushed a
little harder
it it it's such in the comments
your escalation for that of really this
many years later if that she
well yeah but like you said
i failed the test of you know what major
events in my life would i have changed
because there
there really are no you actually
succeeded well
fair enough yeah it depending on your
winning on your opponent
you're one of a few percentage of people
who actually succeed in like if you
can't answer that question within two or
three seconds
you've actually succeeded in that you
know what look
so i i look at i look at certain things
you know going back in this of some of
the times i used to play poker
in in knowing the outcome of the hand
realizing
man i shouldn't have folded that hand
right you know
once i realized you know what came you
know
on the river i i would have hit this and
i would have won a couple hundred bucks
it's those things that kind of go into
my mind of man that knowledge would have
been great
well no i could have won yeah but this
is one of the reasons we had to
completely get
rid of the example of the back to the
future thing of going and getting the
sports
almanac in the future because when it
comes down to money
if you were when you were 15 years old
suddenly had like 20 trillion dollars
yeah you you could have chosen a live
point now you might have been dead at 17
but that's still about your decision and
even like the sports almanac you could
say well i
you know i'm going to get
all of the copies of the wall street
journal printed out
and i'm gonna buy at the right point and
sell at the right point
and just you know play the stock market
perfectly because
i have all the information yeah you
could look at it that way but again too
complicated i mean like if you had the
sports salmon out
it had been all you needed just well and
of course
you know that gonna happen but that's of
course why they did it that way and and
didn't go with the stock market because
it's easy to say hey if you know all the
horse race results
you know then you just go bad on horse
races because this is the point you
could have affected stock market things
so
say like if you bought shares on
something it might have completely
destroyed the competition
yeah but you know what one of those
things results say just what they are no
but but maybe horse racing no
not so much because if you've ever been
to the horse track
and you've seen it what was that movie
uh
frozen let no let it ride where he
has this premonition that he can't lose
that day and so he goes and he puts a
bunch of money on that last race and
they see the odds
drop on the screen because when you bet
money and horse racing
depending on how much money is bet on
each horse
it changes the odds it does so there's
something
exactly there's no people it's the
amount of money yeah but that's a
fallacy in back to the future too that
i've never really thought about that is
true yeah it's the amount of money not
the number of people because you can
have a thousand people bet a daughter
but one
one person bets fifty thousand dollars
that changes the rci yeah
and it would in sports too i'm not big
on how sports betting works but
i know lines change and odds change
based off of that money in there so
um maybe that's a plot hole in there
that
if all of a sudden all that money was
being bet
by biff maybe he wouldn't have been able
to win
as much the outcome of the game might
have been the same but
if you're betting big money on that and
it's even bets you're not going to win
that thing yeah
that would have been a vegas point of
sale last year
for that tour so anyways so we we've now
started off uh championing back to the
future and we're now crapped on it
um so nasa i would have thought of all
people
right nasa would want to get people
interested in science all right
absolutely because wikipedia and
space.com
kind of let us down a little bit totally
um
right yeah but this is look let's back
up just a hair because you also made a
comment
about how you know that we struggle to
get people interested in science and
math
outside of school but we also do
struggle to get them
interested in it while they're even in
school yeah so
so this is a a continuous struggle yeah
well it's nasa against tick tock so yeah
you know what
we know he's going to win
nasa doesn't have boobies but does nasa
have a tick tock account
would that be one of those paradigms
that
maybe nasa needs a tick tock maybe they
need like astronauts dancing or
something like that maybe that would fix
everything
uh nasa go ahead and do that free of
charge that's all you don't need free of
charge
no give us some money if it if you're
gonna use it give us some money why do
you always do that like oh free judge no
give us some money
you can do this now so give some money
so anyway this is nasa right
really trying to get people forget
space.com which i think has been taken
over by
some east texas warehousing company if
you want to rent space
right wikipedia wikipedia which can be
changed by anybody
right so this is nasa right okay this is
their official line on time travel
how to get people excited about
science right and time travel here we go
nasa okay
although humans can't hop
i'm not a rabbit can't hop into a time
machine
and go back in time we do know that
clocks on airplanes clocks
okay grandpa clocks on airplanes and
satellites do
you think they have clocks on satellites
anyway who's carrying clocks on the
clock
the clock the white rabbit obviously
apparently the clocks on airplanes and
satellites travel at a different
speed than those on earth that's nasa
trying to get you excited about science
and time travel
clocks how to be a [ __ ] 101 i mean like
if you want to
get have nobody get involved
in in your line of work that's the way
to do it yeah they can't up into the
time machine and
you know clock's a little bit funny when
you go up in the air so yeah just don't
worry about it
ryan yeah so that's that so um i didn't
want to actually revisit
before we kind of like wrap up um
on one of joe rogan um one of our
buddies
yeah gets on the show uncle joe uncle
joe um
he talks in one of his stand-ups about
the grandfather paradox which is a very
common paradox that
people talk about in terms of cause and
effect that
they say time travel is not real because
somebody could go back
and kill their grandfather and then you
would never be born and i mean it's a
very basic
linear structure right and they but they
talk about that
back to the future i mean that's the
whole premise behind the first movie
yeah but that's the thing of like
you know the future we know now almost
no risk even if it would be a small one
would be worth going back and changing
given the cause and effect
now obviously the grandfather paradox a
very obvious one you kill a grandfather
you're not going to be born
yeah but you know even these small
things you know if you could go back in
time and
you know you're in high school and you
ran a different pattern caught the ball
and got a touchdown
how that would change your life it might
literally lead you be invited to a party
that you were never going to be invited
to
you drink too much and you die crash and
drunk on the way home
right and that's the end of your life
and it's you know people
don't kind of see this cause and effect
it's just
very linear line and i think that's
where back to the future kind of
fails and it also succeeds in terms of
it introduces people to cause an effect
you know because the set things of like
you know doc brown's always like you
can't change the past you can't change
your past you know
maori don't change your past blah blah
but you see these small changes have a
huge effect true in the future and it's
like what you think is
a change for the good becomes a change
for the bad
right yeah it makes total sense so here
we go
this is the official line on time travel
right okay
um this was the absolute piss on my
parade thing of it right
we're going to leave the listeners with
this
a temporal paradox time
paradox or time travel paradox
is a paradox an apparent contradiction
or logical contradiction associated with
the idea of time
and time travel now i don't know about
you i just want to go with the back to
the future
thing that's [ __ ] yeah i did i uh
yeah i'm just gonna crap
yeah i'm i'm gonna go with the back to
the future thing that's so much easier
to
kind of digest and and understand
and for those three percent of people
out there
that don't immediately refer back to
back to the future i'm highly
disappointed in you
uh that i thought that num or that
percentage number would be lower but i
think it should be a hundred percent
don't you i mean you you look at back to
the future and and we
poked holes in one of my favorite movies
i
i didn't think whenever we started this
that i would start having all these
questions about back to the future but
now i'm
i'm starting to get a little
disappointed in some of the things in
the movie
do you actually i was going to say this
like within
like 90 seconds of a podcast but you
absolutely want to know
what my embarrassing if i could go back
in time
thing would do yeah you know what you
asked me so fair enough
tell me tell me what yours is we had um
this home
economics teacher when i was like in
high school and i was like
i don't know maybe 15 16 whatever um
i'm sure mrs mrs marshall
that was her name i'm sure she's dead by
now actually
pretty sure because she was like 45 50
whatever but anyway she would say milf
gilf whatever title you want to give to
her
right and
i remember one time like she gave us
this uh
like homework assignment to make a
shepherd's pie which is a great english
staple fantastic
meal fantastic meal but anyway i made
one
and um she was like oh my goodness
this tastes fantastic because we had to
bring it into class
yeah and uh this is awesome this is
awesome and i remember standing next to
her
and she was like going down because we
had to like write down you know how we
cooked it all the ingredients the time
in the hour and how much you put in and
all that stuff and i remember this time
where i thought if only i could have
moved my left hand
four inches over to the left i could
have touched her boob
that's my time travel mode there you go
there you go and with that said thanks
for tuning in to this episode of the
wolf and the shepherd and we will catch
you on the next one