The Wolf AND The Shepherd discuss the celebration of Christmas, both in the US and the UK, tackling the commercialization, traditions, and differences in celebrations.
welcome to this special episode of the
wolf and the shepherd
we'd like to wish everybody a merry
christmas and so we
thought we'd get together and talk a
little bit about
christmas and happy annika
and well hanukkah hanukkah is already
over
isn't it yeah so you gotta say happy
belated hanukkah
yeah see it that's what happens when you
don't pay attention to this
calendar well so what's left kwanzaa
uh kwanzaa i can't remember when
festivus is
what stop what's festivus oh festivus is
from seinfeld
you know when you when you get the metal
pole out you have the airing of
grievances and the feats of strength
but i think festivus has already passed
as well okay
well that's just concentrate on
christmas that sounds like a plan
because obviously
we probably barely researched christmas
to begin with and if we get too far out
into some of these other holidays we're
really going to get confused
yeah uh well i went to
ychristmas.com and the reason i went to
whitechristmas.com was because i thought
what type of website why not what no
well i thought what type of website is
this going to be honestly
why christmas stuff yeah it could have
gone like a multiple of different
instructions it could have been like
i hate christmas why christmas right it
could have been
you know like super super evangelical it
could have gone
any direction but i clicked on anyway
you know why clips on it
why because it came out first in google
oh well that makes sense
so second in google was who christmas
and that was just basically
a site for the who's from the grinch's
old christmas
no it's an ad actually just trying to
sell me some christmas songs
oh okay which they did guarantee
delivery before christmas
day so i mean you know given it's only
four days away i thought was pretty good
and they had
twenty percent off now see see here we
go again you're letting out the secrets
because we're gonna release this two
days before christmas so we gotta
pretend like this is two days before
christmas
well i think it's tuesday before
christmas
that we're gonna release this uh maybe
it's like three
i don't know all right once again we
didn't research that
that well okay well anyway i went to
whitechristmas.com because why not
their definition of christmas which i
actually kind of agree with
is that christmas is celebrated to
remember the birth of jesus christ yeah
who christians believe is the son of god
the name christmas comes from the mass
of christ
a mass service sometimes called
communion or eucharist
is when yeah is where christians
remember that jesus
died for us and then came back to life
now i like that
all in a nutshell right there like 20
seconds you can either agree with it not
agree with it blah blah blah but that's
christmas
as most people understand well it
you know couldn't they have got away
with the whole jesus is the reason for
the season just had like
one little picture there and just been
done with it i mean a one-shot web page
go on godaddy it's like 10 bucks you put
a picture on there a little mean when
you're done
no i think the reason for that is um
like i said from that description they
had on the website
i think it is both informative in terms
of
explaining the background of why
christians
celebrate christmas but also giving
across a soft
evangelical message which isn't kind of
punching you in the face and asking you
to
donate 29.99 miracle
craig cloth or touching the screen to be
saved so
yeah i thought that was good i didn't
look at anything else on the website
but um you know there is some counter to
the whole christian
thing about christmas because you know
the pagans
get an early nudging yeah yeah they're
in nearly everything i mean whenever you
look at any holiday
anywhere in the world it's like but the
pagans that say
oh my goodness i mean these people i
mean
do you know i understand what the word
pagan means well
it's a non-belief in the abrahamic god
is it i think so i don't know i don't
care if i just thought you might know
um well we're gonna stick with that
definition well anyway they've got a
hand in everything
yeah so um you know with december 25th
the actual day we celebrate christmas as
christians
or around the world um
and also actually a bunch of the customs
we've come to associate with christmas
actually evolved from pagan traditions
celebrating the winter solstice
ah now which i believe the winter
solstice this year is on the 21st
well i wanted to introduce an immediate
stump the shepherd thing here
explain the winter solstice shortest
amount of daylight in the year in the
northern hemisphere is it yes
you sure yes 100 100
okay well uh according to the interwebs
it's the solstice the time date twice
each year where the sun reaches its
maximum or minimum
declination basically the longest
shelter stays as calculated by the gap
between dawn and dusk
yeah so so i think i think you explained
it easier
yeah yeah i i explained to you i mean
the summer solstice of course has the
most daylight
and the winter solstice has the least
amount why don't they just say that
yeah that's a lot of words to put on the
camera it is i mean like
the winter solstice this year is roughly
around december 22nd the reason they say
kind of
it's around is because um
you know obviously the planets and the
sun don't necessarily
follow our you know
24 hour a day you know roman calendar
system you know it might be a little bit
of an overlap
they don't have good wi-fi so they they
don't follow everything
they don't subscribe to the right
twitter accounts well i'll tell you what
this is the worst thing ever you know
like wikipedia right
which is normally my go-to for basic
videos yes
there is absolutely zero errors
what what would you think they would
describe if they had to do the most
basic breakdown of the winter solstice
uh i'm gonna go back with the
shortest amount of daylight in a day
yeah i've been even gone like
she was dying kind of shortest day
because most people little little day
my speech little is a shorter word than
shortest so
uh guy um
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anyway so so this is what they described
the win for solstice as right so like i
said wikipedia
my go-to i thought all right i've looked
up christmas
i'm looking up you know some of the
other stuff behind christmas
which was there a link on wikipedia when
you were looking up christmas to take
you to the winter solstice or did you
actually have to take that horrible step
and type into the computer into the
search thing to look up winter solstice
next
uh i don't know it just came up on the
screen
um so probably you didn't type it in
because if you'd had to type that in
you'd probably have to take a nap in
between no i did type in winter solstice
oh okay
so you took a nap in between i did yeah
anyway it says
this is their definition of the winter
solstice
as high emo
solstice that occurs when one of the
earth's poles
has its maximum tilt away from the sun
okay makes sense
yeah what about the flat earthers though
well do they sell breakfast i don't know
do they celebrate the solstices whoa
because that one's kind of hard to argue
with um
so anyway going back to christmas we
wish you a merry christmas
yep nice of all you're all unless of
course you're all atheists in which case
we
hope you celebrate one of the holidays
that has already passed
yep probably festivus now
you know growing up in england
christmas was both lovely and both
disappointing because we did so well
because we didn't have the commercial
power you have over here oh right so you
didn't have santa claus drinking a coke
petting the polar bear well we had santa
we had santa claus but it was like
almost a uh i don't know it's almost
like a communist version of santa claus
you know it's like yeah he's out there
he's delivering gifts and
you know he's got some reindeer one of
them's got a little bit of chip on his
shoulder and he's got red nose and stuff
and
you know if you all you get you know as
a bag of sand and your christmas stock
and then be grateful for it
you know um and that was it we didn't
have any commerciality
okay i mean that's the thing i remember
i obviously i guess in retrospect but
there was no commerciality
about christmas i mean you'd had like
christmas advertisements
and stuff on tv you'd have christmas
movies playing but it wasn't heavily
commercialized
and yeah so it wasn't like when uh
hershey's kisses for instance
have had the same advertisement for
years with little hershey's kisses
in the ring and the bell you know in the
and they're supposed to represent
each bell and they're playing we wish
you merry christmas and then all of a
sudden this year
they decide well we better change that
we might offend somebody
so it wasn't like that while they're
playing them i think they still have the
original version but now they have a new
version
i read something on the interwebs about
that
don't remember exactly what was going on
with it but
for the first time and whatever it is
like 20
some odd years they change the
commercial
just to you know throw some kind of
virtue
signal out there that you know they know
that
there's different stuff going on what
whatever it may be
but they change that i mean that there's
there's
talking about the commercialization of
christmas i mean there was always those
kind of built-in christmas commercials
that haven't changed forever there's the
hershey's kisses there's the one where
the guy comes home from i don't know if
it's college or whatever
and he goes in and he's making coffee
and the whole house wakes up because
he's making coffee and everybody you
know they open their eyes
and they're smelling and they smell the
coffee and they come down they're like
oh you're here you're home oh we're
happy and it's like oh
you know it's folger's coffee
there were two or three others like that
that you just saw
every year and like oh it's christmas
time because here's that commercial
again
and it literally they just regurgitate
them
every single year yeah same commercials
now i mean obviously hallmark and
uh you know other
brands organizations have pretty much
owned christmas for maybe
30 or 40 years or whatever and you know
a lot of the commercials you get on tv
around christmas time you know they try
and go
with this false kind of oh let's all be
lovely to each other
give you know give a gift for christmas
and all this but
everything is trying to sell you
something i mean there is no
there there is almost nowadays literally
no
christmas advert or anything where it's
not trying to
big up somebody or something some
company to try and sell you something so
when you say
when you started off when i read you the
definition of christmas when you say
jesus is the reason for the season
i really don't think that
anybody you know any tv network
or advertisement really pushes that
message no
it's not no they don't pursue the reason
for the season coca-cola is the reason
for the season
i mean it's not 20 off for next week is
the reason for the season
yeah uh black friday is the reason for
the season jesus
would love you to buy this 4k 72 inch tv
yes if jesus was going to buy a tv he
would buy this
specific tv from this specific store i'm
pretty sure he's got 8k
at this point and he's got the new xbox
series x
and he's playing like modern warfare
with 65 well that's an interesting
question
so is jesus is jesus playing an xbox
series
x or playstation five well i know
he's got both we we know he's got both
but but jesus likes one more than the
other one right so
so which is false i think you know just
for
the extra functionality well i think
because of xbox live gold
and also now with xbox with the ultimate
package where they bring in the uh
all of the games from the uh electronic
arts thing
yeah or the uh yeah what do you call it
backward compatibility
oh yeah i mean you know jesus christ
lego indiana jones
something like that yeah you almost feel
like xbox is sponsoring us
and man we love
you know jesus plays an xbox but sonny
if you want to send us a playstation 5
each not just one between us because we
live in different houses
i know some of our listeners sometimes
when they hear sporadic
clips of the show think we live together
we don't um
the shepherd has a wife i have a
girlfriend we both have
dogs which we're and we both have xboxes
other than that i mean god
and his good son the lord jesus christ
as an ex-boxer his ex
convinced us otherwise yeah um so so he
didn't get the series s
right i mean he wants he wants that
physical digital media or the physical
media putting it in there he's not
downloading his game
no i think he bought those ones for the
angels
yeah so he could just bless those by
turning water into wine he could just
bless the series
and say i will bless you well you said
nothing he said one is this home xbox
and the rest of them oh they're sharing
oh sharing that that's smart i
believe that was i i think that's in
like ephesians
yeah yeah something like that okay
yeah yeah that makes sense so so anyway
i know this is a
huge impact on the history of christmas
in england and europe
um a lot of the europeans
actually adopted you know the pagan
uh approach to christmas and like
festival of lights and all their stuff
you know they had the trees all the
lights go up giving you the gifts
yeah and again that goes back to
thousands of years
but the definition like we said at
christmas
you know it's really jesus is the reason
for the season
that's what we want to keep with it
because you know when it comes to
christmas music
it's not just talking about you know i i
don't remember
any hymns or music talking about pagans
it's not like
yeah no that's true i mean you you've
got your secular music
you know santa claus is coming to town
and then you've got your traditional
christian music
you know uh oh come on you faithful and
all those good songs right but yeah you
don't have any
pagan christmas yeah it'd be a hard
intro
wouldn't it yeah that would and and
let's be honest this song would be
terrible
well i mean you could you could get the
best songwriter
the performers it'd still be a terrible
song well i mean
especially if you go off that wikipedia
definition of the winter solstice
i described earlier if you're going to
base a song on that that's going to be a
terrible song
man that'd be a tough one to try to
write a song
or solstice i don't care well i think
you can do that
but i'm sure you could i think with
those we're not creative enough to write
i don't think with those lyrics coming
from wikipedia you can do it
i don't care if your muse or like even
if you're morrissey i don't think you
can come up
with a good no nothing about the tilt of
the earth
yeah it's not not gonna happen now talk
about music
i know you get like a big gushy girl at
some christmas songs oh sure
yeah and this idea as well and that was
a couple of songs you and i both share
which like
you know we love them and they make us
feel very christmassy that they all so
make us feel very
spiritual now sure there's a little bit
of an offshoot here
um our favorite christmas song
what is it what is it what is it
what is it
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oh holy night yeah yeah that one um
anyway
they played that um to a bunch of
atheists
see i see what i did there i made you
sing it
i didn't want to have sex i thought i
thought you always tried to stop me from
singing that
no they played that song to a bunch of
atheists and again this is
absolutely 100 science and if it had any
impact on their brain
right in terms of the dopamine and stuff
and when it hit that part in this psalm
whereas the fall on your knees that they
don't have the same response
you know in terms of people who were
actually christians
and stuff that they felt
the power of that music and they
actually did it in the english language
and played it people who
you know didn't know english but it was
just that
so yeah it's that meaning of that part
of the song
which hit people and it had exactly the
same reaction
in the audience whether you believed in
god or you didn't believe in god
yeah but but you know there's going to
be some scientific explanation behind
that it's going to be the frequency of
the sound and
this that and the other well they
actually disprove that
oh because they yeah they disproved that
um
that it was actually they switched the
lyrics
and um there's um i don't know if it's
pingu
or something european like a weirdo
yankovic version
basically well no it's some european
cartoon about penguin anyway they put in
lyrics from that
song in it but the people who were
singing it
when they recorded it well like it was a
choir it was a like practicing choir and
so they sang it with different lyrics
and the lyrics didn't make any
difference
but it was the intent and the faith
behind it
that seemed to have made the difference
and it was just a
you know obviously they buried that
study in picture
um but no there is something in very
uplifting music and i mean you know
christmas music
i mean most of my you know good memories
about christmas is about christmas hymns
as a kid you know a little town of
bethlehem
and all this stuff and that's that i
mean that's kind of what christmas means
to me i mean yeah we love gifts and all
that
but those type of you know that
i don't know that feel those songs those
hymns kind of really bring christmas
kind of home into your heart regardless
whether you're living under a bridge or
whether you're in a mansion i mean
there's
that connection when you hear those
notes when you hear that music
not only that but and of course you have
the comedy side of christmas you know
grandma got run over by reindeer
and all that stuff right but they they
don't
carry that same weight
as like you say that those traditional
songs those
those christian leaning songs now
do you have any atheist friends
who celebrate christmas well
in terms of celebrate if you mean
they're like go by the gifts
put up christmas trees yeah i mean
yeah i mean you have to i mean i
actually dislike the term atheist
because
that refers to somebody who has no
specific belief in the deity
or adheres to any of their like
teachings or whatever
but fair enough non-christian right
let's go with that yeah
yeah i mean i think most people even if
you describe them as
normal what we can see as atheists
celebrate christmas i think you have to
be
really on the other side of the fence
and be very anti
christmas to not celebrate christmas but
then even when you have
those people if they have kids and
they're kind of
you know i don't want to say normal but
whatever you know you want to
have your kids you know have the same
experiences
yeah the kids come back from christmas
break
and what are they immediately going to
do well what'd you get for christmas
you don't want your kid to be the one
that said oh well my family's weird we
don't celebrate christmas and you're not
not to say you're weird i mean i'm not
trying to offend the jewish population
or anything got a good friend who's
jewish and we love the jews
yeah absolutely but uh but there is kind
of that
part that oh you don't celebrate
christmas oh you did hanukkah oh okay
well what'd you get for hanukkah
versus you know
saying well we we don't do christmas
it puts kids in an awkward position do
you not think it's an easy cop
out though if you're not celebrating
christmas and
you put all the weight on santa you know
to bring you everything you want it's
like
sorry kids you don't have anything this
christmas yeah
but hey it's not mine or mommy's fault
but six centers so you know writing a
nasty letter is the address so i've got
it off the internet just running a bad
thing
hey somebody some of your friends got a
lot of gifts but you know why
because yeah well now you don't want to
pull that card because they're not
getting ready hang on hang on you're on
to something because
i just think i can figure it out yeah
but
no i think i figured out it's a way to
save a lot of money
at christmas time if i just don't buy
anything for my kids just blame saturn
and then i can just say well you weren't
good enough he must have been on the
naughty list
that's why he didn't get anything
they're not going to be mad at me
they're going to be mad at santa yeah
that's a win-win
i save a bunch of money they're mad at
santa claus
why didn't i think of this long time ago
i think
this might have been how the columbine
massacre happened
oh i don't think they went and bought a
trench coat and oh yeah well yeah that
is
well okay
yeah all right fair enough i won't do it
i mean you know how cheap i am
but yeah not worth the rest worse risk
for rewards
yeah anyway so gifts
right now you and i obviously have had
discussions before about
what type of gifts your kids expect to
christmas now
when you and i were growing up back in
the early 1920s
you know we were happy with the lump of
coal in our stocking
but also if somebody had made us a
wooden toy train we were happy with that
but nowadays it seems like people want
some electronic micro currencies
or console or phone games
yeah well not to mention they also want
those consoles you can't find at the
store
they you know they they want you to go
out
and try to find that hard to find toy
that
everybody wants that they're gonna play
with for two weeks and then forget about
i just find it kind of weird though what
we used to want for christmas
kids just don't want that anymore i mean
i i'm not talking about just because the
toys
are different but you know we used to
want
things where our imagination
i guess drove the gift so if you got a
train set
you know you got like lego or you got
like you know gi
joe and stuff it's because we created
when we got those gifts as kind of well
they were props
yeah they were but it was that
imagination which
drove it but now they just want a gift
card for
e-bucks or v-bucks and stuff and it's
like
well yeah happy christmas i know this is
what you wanted but i'm not entirely
sure i might have well
just handed you a 20 note i mean what
yeah and
you're gonna blow it on some kind of
in-game
purchase that you're going to get sick
of in
a day you want to buy a skin on
fortnight yeah
and now you have nothing to show for it
three months from now or
let's be honest three days from now
because you're gonna get sick of it but
do you not think that's the difference
that
nowadays kids want to get stuff which
other people are doing the imagination
for them whereas when you've got gifts
oh yeah
it was about our imagination right i
mean
uh star wars figures you know give me a
millennium falcon
so i can take my han solo and chewbacca
figure
i can put him in the morning falcon and
i can fly it around
and i can create my own star wars movie
and
you know live out all those things that
i loved about star wars versus
well uh here's some v bucks and now
you can buy a han solo character for
this game
and pretend like you're han solo in this
for three days
until you want to be you know name
somebody else and then you want to
buy that skin or whatever you were
saying on fortnight yeah i think
i mean you know obviously it's a
completely different generation and
a number of generations differentiated
from where we were but
yeah i don't think well obviously i
can't conceive the
opening a letter with a gift card in it
when i was like i would have made me
that ecstatic
right you know yeah you would rather
open that
package and had some kind of physical
idea i'd rather add an
ill-fitting t-shirt yeah yeah give me
socks and underwear give me something
just don't give me a v-box thing i mean
where's the i just don't get
the i guess the reward principle of kids
nowadays and also because they can get
these things all the way through the
year
um i i don't know what christmas is
special
in terms of well you know the gifts it's
not the gift under the tree because if
you get an envelope or
somebody's sending you an email it's not
the same as unwrapping a
shoebox wrapped in you know like this
lovely paper
and a ribbon and stuff and you open it
all up and you get out
something which you might not
necessarily want but
it was nice yeah but nowadays like
v-bucks in a freaking envelope or
through an email i just don't think it's
the same experience
and you also don't have that shortly
after christmas when you
go visit your friends and say hey you
know check out my new shoes look here's
my new jacket
here here's my new millennium falcon now
here's my new
whatever hey come over and play with my
train set that i got
you know it's like oh you know log on to
xbox and
and look at my skin on four yeah now now
i've got oh my gosh
yeah but oh oh it must have to be you
because i had that three months ago
but i've already moved on from that i
bought this new one you should get more
v bucks so you can get this
yeah that's where we're at now yeah i
mean
that is a good thing because the measure
a lot of the time when we were small
small young midgets
um going to school um was it
you know you used to be able to boast
about what you got for christmas or you
used to tell your friends what you got
for christmas
and you'd listen to what they used to
have to say unless you know whatever
but the point is now it's like if
everybody's just going in and it's like
you know i want some leave up so i got
some feedback so yeah about this you
know yeah
yes i i don't know it just seems this
negative reward system with kids now
that
they kind of lose what it means to look
forward to something i think because i
used to
you know write from my birthday's in
september whatever but
i used to look forward to christmas like
oh maybe i'll get this and
yeah something physical well you know
you had your christmas styles
yeah but you said i you know i'm gonna
ask for ten things
yeah i wonder which one or two or three
or four of these
ten things i'm actually gonna get and
you open that gift and you realize hey
there's
a package of socks in here and it's like
oh well that wasn't on my list
but i'm still all right i needed socks
whatever
and then you open the next one in the
next one and the next one and you
are you have that mental picture of that
list in your head
of those things that you asked for and
you're like okay well i
i got this this this and this i didn't
get these things but you know what at
least i've got these things
and i really wanted those yeah i think
it's too clinical in terms of reward
nowadays because i mean even if like
you know i mean you've got what is it
like 14 kids
uh that i know of right
well the point is i mean like even if
you take your favorite one and i know
you do have a favorite
yeah yeah i do and you gave them
a 9 000
gift card for xbox live
right i i know
there's a kind of an appreciation i've
got this gift and blah blah i can go on
xbox live and buy some stuff
but it's not it can't be the same as
when you physically get in that train or
that gi drone no it's not nitro
yeah gi dro dro yeah him
um it it can't be the same experience
but the point is i can't relate to kids
anymore
just getting this electronic stuff yeah
i just
you know when i had a physical toy in my
hand
it meant something to me you know i can
hold it up i could feel it it's tactile
but i just
can't understand how they get this do
you also feel like
when you got a toy for christmas
versus getting a toy any other time of
the year you almost treated it better
yeah because you looked forward to
getting something and it's
you fell you know you said i got this
for christmas yes
i got this for my birthday something
like that it it
you almost took care of it more well let
me ask you this what was the favorite
gift you ever got for christmas
growing up ah well honestly a lot of
that depends on age
because one of my most memorable
memorable gifts that i got
members
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was when i was little i got an
r2d2 toy box it was
just as big as r2d2 but his head came
off
and it was a toy box and you put all
your other toys inside of it
you know particle board just the r2d2
had a
basically a label around and made it
look like r2 had wheels on the bottom
i love that thing i put all my toys
inside it and i'd roll it around and i
as a young kid thought i've got r2d2
in my room i mean he looked vaguely like
r2d2
but you know it wasn't autonomous or
anything like that
still have it today and i know you've
seen it it
you know i i still have that stored at
my parents house i
loved that thing dearly loved that thing
and had it in my room forever
getting a little bit older i think my
favorite christmas present was probably
my valentine one radar detector
when i had just turned 16
and i asked for a valentine one radar
detector
for christmas and i got that and uh
sucker saved me from a lot of tickets
right let's
be honest save me from a lot of tickets
years later
got my car broke into and got a stolen
but that thing saved me
from a lot of tickets now you remember
back in our time travel episode
my absolutely lame reason for why i
would actually like to have
time travel that as i would go back in
time and
accidentally touch my own economic
teacher's booth
yeah um well um my
christmas memory in terms of
best gift i can't remember how old i was
but it was like an army jeep
and there were like four soldiers in it
but you could crash it into something
and they would all fall out the jeep
which
sounds super lame all right but
i think that was yeah i mean i remember
that just being my favorite
thing it's just basic tactile you know
toy which you know had four soldiers in
this jeep
and you know once when's the last time
you saw that jeep
several years ago
no you have it in the car right now yeah
yeah i do a
stoplight yeah um but no i mean it's
just one of those things it's like it
wasn't a
super fantastic you know
gift but it's just a memory from
christmas i was delighted to have it
and for days and weeks and months
afterwards so i was delighted to have it
and i wanted it for christmas
you know my parents got it for me for
christmas and i loved it
yeah but like i said if somebody buy i
just can't imagine being a kid now and
somebody buying you a roblox
gift card and you're being excited as i
was getting that g
sure well in in going to the way you
asked me
i like the rtdt toy box more than i did
the valentine one radar detector right i
mean
i don't have the valentine one radar
detector anymore it got stolen
i still have the r2d2 toy box yeah i
mean i
i love that thing and i just saw it last
week
and i'm like and i remember just playing
with that thing all the time i mean that
that was a staple
for me right i know my mom has a picture
me
you know christmas morning with that
thing sitting
right next to the christmas tree because
santa claus brought that
yeah you know and uh i'm sure my parents
probably thought well this will
you know keep the room a little
organized he can put stuff in here
and now there won't be stuff laying all
around so it worked out
you know on both sides but man i love
that toy box
still to this day about the story is
giving birth to a
weird thought how bad would it be like
i know when you and i were growing up
you know we didn't have you know iphones
and all this stuff but you know we were
relying
upon you know the whole kodak thing
disposable cameras
and everything else you know so
a lot of people our age don't have
necessarily that many photos of them
right when they're young you know
whereas like with my son i've already
got like about 6 000
photos of him and he's you know seven
you know every time he turns his head in
a different direction it's like oh
thought it would take that one and keep
it um
but imagine the disappointment
if that technology was available back
when you were growing up
and then you suddenly asked your mom
like
okay can you show me some photos of when
i was young and she only had like about
a dozen photos
yeah oh you cared that much did you yeah
that was it so you got a dozen photos so
you got one of me when i was born
yeah one of you when it got me home the
first time i was bitten by a dog
you know sixth birthday a couple of them
and then
sit until i graduate high school yeah
here's here's the one where i
fell off a horse yeah and broke my arm
yeah and there was one at the doctor's
office when
i was getting the cash yeah and then
there's my graduation photo which
you were so cheap you didn't actually
buy the graduation phone you didn't
take the photos somebody ordered it it
says proof
and you just took the picture didn't
even remove the watermark you know that
when they send the email like you can
have this say yeah just
pay this and you can move the walmart
now i'm just going to screenshot well
to be you know 100 honest in my parents
house there are
three pictures of me that are proof
photos that have
proof stamped through it like with a
little hole punch
that my mom has framed because those
were the proof photos that she didn't
want to buy
but those were good enough and she just
put those in frames now do you remember
do you remember that episode of friends
where i think
phoebe met a real mother
so so so let me stop here no i don't
remember that episode
i do not like that show i do not know
well
i don't okay but they were stock photos
like my mom
and mom was like oh this is like auntie
carol and all this
it's like it was literally yeah but
anyway
but um we never go off-topic
i know this makes it a rarity um
commercialization which i think that's
going to be a great spelling word in
words of friends of ours
i thought we already went over that
didn't we no we talked about it earlier
did we yeah because i asked you maybe
i'm going to go back and listen to that
memory now podcast we did because yeah
my memory no no because remember i asked
you to look if i spelled it correctly
yeah um it's a commercialization which
72 letters in there um
do you think that christmas is
so commercialized that it will never
recover to get back to the message of
the reason for the season
yes 100 yes all right well that one's
over all right
so in the age of kobe in the asian code
which we didn't want to bring up and i
know we haven't mentioned kobe in
any previous podcast not even the one on
vacations we didn't mention
yeah i don't think we did yeah i'd have
to go back in time and
try and visit that well on our last
podcast about time travel we know that's
not possible so uh
um so anyway about the
uh i'm so distracted well it depends how
far you've gone back in time but anyway
covered christmas uh
fauci whatever his name is fauli
yeah fau
yeah you gotta throw your lower jaw out
when you say his name yeah i'm just
saying
i'm just gonna go with a guy who looks
like a rat anyway he made this statement
about
him and his wife if he has one i haven't
seen him yet
um they're not gonna kept connect
with their kids this christmas he said
that you know it's safer if you know
they have a
distancing christmas like a zoom
christmas yeah
yeah or any other uh remote
platform range if you want to sponsor us
to get ahead of zoom we will gladly uh
email us at the shepherd
gmail.com anyway he said right
that he's not going to see his own kids
at christmas
because the covert now
could he not ask him to get tested or
him and his wife get tested
and then just i don't know just maybe
meet up for christmas i don't know
because i feel like this candidate that
seems too logical though
for this council christmas thing i mean
that's it's gone too far i mean capsule
thanksgiving you know what
there are a lot of people who want to
avoid a lot of relatives that
thanksgiving yeah and there's been cause
you get the drunken i would have yeah i
would have liked to have canceled
thanksgiving for less reasons than uh
but um you know when it comes to
christmas when you talk about yeah we're
not gonna meet up with our own kids at
christmas i mean
are you gonna do anything differently
this christmas with your like
i think yeah 22 kids and yeah you know
your parents live in like
yes what are you doing differently yes
we are
because because and see
i'm gonna hit you with a curveball
because i haven't told you this yet
in the age of covid that we're in
every year we get together with my
wife's sister and her husband and her
two kids
and our kids and everything and we do
christmas we do a little secret santa
where all the cousins they exchange
names they
buy them you know a present and all that
but but
the brother-in-law the sister-in-law
and the daughter have got the copied
they've got the covet so now they're
quarantining they're saying no
no can't be around anybody y'all can't
come over we're not gonna go anywhere
uh let's you know talk about doing a
zoom
thing let's talk about this so this will
be the first year that we don't all get
together
because three of the four of them three
of the four
have got cobia the fourth magically
doesn't have it
even though blue's in the same house
touches all the same stuff
doesn't wear mask in the house nothing
one of those four
doesn't have the coved but the other
three do so
now we're not going to be able to do
that this year you know at this point
though
i know i gotta be honest i'm not i'm not
i'm i'm okay i'm okay if it's i'm okay
if it's not you
that'd just be you and three of your
kids not the oldest
one and it just be you and the three
boys just watching star wars movies
yes yeah pretty much that'd be it in
eating good food
right yeah don't don't leave the food
part out yeah yeah yeah so i mean that
would be it so now don't give me that
so i mean i know there's a lot of
families that probably not that annoyed
they can't connect raptors but i thought
that whole
council christmas you know this apparent
you know head or genius of
um viriology viral
inferior verbs
you know i i kind of feel bad for my
brother and sister-in-law
you know i do like hanging out with my
brother-in-law and sister-in-law and
everything but
if they got to the point where
you know they've tested positive for the
covid and everything and this is what's
going to happen and now we have to
quarantine we have to do all this it's
like
look there's ways around this you know
we it's not like
we're the type family that hugs on each
other and
really gets around each other for that
matter
you can figure out a way to still do it
in person
you you really can let's be honest you
don't have to do
the remote stuff you don't have to hide
from
anybody um we could do it
now yeah this is right now maybe
24 hours from now this changes but i
just found out this
information literally last night so that
this is where we're at right now yeah at
the same time
i will say i'm disappointed in them
because they got a cat for christmas
yeah is it in the mail
i don't know i've seen a picture is that
where you got
actually you've mentioned this now like
at least half a dozen times how much you
hate cats
now you got something or your wife got
something called
is it a sassy cat or something which was
like the most expensive cat on the face
of the planet
yeah anybody in the through the mail
anybody in their right mind
would have gotten this cat for free but
she went to the
um sassy cat thing and paid through the
nose
for this cat and yes i don't like cats
so
have you bought it a christmas outfit
because i wanted to get on a little bit
about
buying pets christmas outfits dressed
outfits
no outfit no but i've heard
that the wife did go buy the cat's
christmas presents
oh with the stress
or just from her oh no just from her
i know but that isn't that depressing
well i mean there's there's children
starving around the world
but we buy cats christmas presents
just makes you want to jump in front of
traffic right but
well i mean for your cat for christmas
i mean give it it's not got any
extinction glossone
uh could you not just punch it in the
face and say that's from santa
i could dress up like sam you could and
they just because cats are done
they're not gonna know the difference
right so i couldn't dress up well we
think we've covered that in the podcast
for autism they have no uh
they they disassociate cause and effect
so yeah
they're just gonna think study being
mean again
let me uh give me that pen down and make
a
note of this of uh
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so that's from mommy you know what i
shouldn't even write this down i should
actually set a reminder in my
phone because i might lose this piece of
paper i'm going to go ahead and do that
so uh entertain our listeners here while
i
type this in all right well i have some
issues for center
now we've got to this point in podcast
um
i'm gonna add you to my reminder by the
way so in case
i'm away from my phone you can text me
and remind me to dress up as santa claus
and punch the cat
into the cabinet face
and safe well we've done nothing else
this christmas
uh we've
told people that violent skanks domestic
pets is acceptable as long as it's in
the christmas spirit
yes that's one way to look at it and
when i say if we've done nothing else
this christmas we haven't done anything
else this christmas but again i want to
go back to saturn yes
let's get back what was your earliest
thoughts on santa claus
i never bought into it well even when
you were like
three or four i've never bought into it
so
hey you go away now i know you're
colorblind so i know the whole
thing do you see red i do i do i know
it's ripped in blood i mean i'm not
talking around i know it seems wearing a
red suit
but i never bought into santa claus
that much it just never made sense
because i as a young young kid
i didn't like the whole uh sit on
santa's lap and tell sam what i wanted
for christmas
didn't like writing a letter to santa
claus
uh i just always told my parents what i
wanted and it magically happened
and you know when i was kind of young
i'm like hang on a second
you know whenever i'm out of school my
parents didn't really care how late i
stayed up but man they
really cared on christmas eve so
you know i put two and two together you
know a long time ago and just kind of
floated along almost for my parents
of yeah i still believe in santa claus
and
all that stuff just to kind of keep them
happy so to speak
yeah no which let's be honest
you you always want your kid
to be not the first one
that figures out about santa claus but
definitely not the last one right it's
got to be somewhere in between and man
that
you don't want to be the african funny
you don't want to be the idiot yeah yeah
that
in between is so tricky especially
nowadays
now i know your dad pretty well and i
think he would have
if he could have gotten away with like
passing blame on
santa claus i think he would have done
it like have you ever watched oh
absolutely if you'd have one specific
christmas and it'd be like yeah santa
claus didn't come through
yeah no no he would have yeah
and he would have probably put a
political spin on it too because
santa voted a certain way and that's why
this didn't happen
yeah now um to end with which isn't the
typical way you end on uh
christmas podcasts
i've always been slightly infatuated or
attracted
to females wearing nice miss santa claus
outfit there is why is that there's
absolutely nothing why is that
why do you think that is i mean from a
you know i know you have absolutely no
qualifications whatsoever in terms of
you know psychology but why would you
say that
a lovely looking lady in a center outfit
arises my interests well because she is
there
to give you what you want when i she
was why wouldn't she be
yeah but it was like but but you know
she's married to fatty you can
travel like fast and spend like no okay
so so you're confusing me a little bit
you're not talking about
really mrs claus yeah you're talking
about you're talking about a woman that
is
dressed up kind of like mrs claus but
isn't trying to
represent mrs clark i'm not going on
craigslist i'm talking about
ah are you not really though are you
though no
not for that oh um no i'm talking about
i don't know what it is about women
dressed in
not scantily necessarily but in nice
while right yes but um you know
santa claus outfits what does that
trigger in your brain
what gap is there maybe in your psyche
or whatever
that makes you think i mean just like
the whole naughty nurse saying
everything else and
blah blah blah why is mrs santa claus
getting drugged into this
well i guess it's the same reason why
you have the halloween outfits
you know you've got the naughty the
naughty cop you've got the naughty
firefighter you got all of that stuff
and then you got christmas time
where it's like okay you've only got
like two or three things to kind of
dress up as you can be a
mrs claus you can be a snowman you can
be a reindeer
i've never seen a sexy snowman to be
honest oh snow woman
uh you're searching the wrong sites
but you
you left out one thing with christmas
that we gotta talk about and this it and
i know you wanted to end on
on the mrs clause but i want to end on
something else
i have a serious problem with the elf on
the shelf
yeah i i
look back to our back in time episode or
our time travel episode and you'd ask me
you know what would you change is that
before or after the outside
i don't remember okay but
i hate the elf on the shelf oh i hate it
i hate reading the book every year i
hate moving that elf
every night i i hate
the posts on facebook of oh look what
our elf
did and all that i hate
the elf on the show so i would like to
congratulate
canadians whoever came out because
because i i did hate canadians but now
i need you all to know i hate the elf on
the shelf
more than canadians and cats
canadians and cats uh second third place
still undetermined but elf on the shelf
i cannot wait until my youngest is too
old for that because
i do not like that thing
that is the worst newer
christmas tradition that is anybody's
came up with i
i'm sorry i just do not like the elf on
the shelf
i just want to make a comment at this
point because the shepherd has mentioned
this
in i think at least four or five
podcasts now
i actually quite like a lot of canadians
mainly the ones who play ice hockey yeah
i like wayne gretzky
yeah we like ice hockey i like ice
hockey we like ice hockey um
i like maple syrup yeah i think the ones
we don't like and that's pretty much it
uh the kind of non-descript
kind of ones you know just the ones who
don't really have any purpose because
let's be honest if you're not involved
in the process well
you're making maple syrup if you're not
playing ice hockey and you're not a
mountain
then what are you doing in canada well
but
really you're gonna put mounties in this
i'm gonna leave them out if you don't
play hockey
and you don't make maple syrup i don't
really have a use for you
let's put the mountains in there because
they do something what
ride around on moose and
right speeding tickets for people riding
reindeers
okay well fine i'll concede mounties
all right so they're the only ones that
get a pass
all right okay so it's not a complete
blanket of canada it's just people who
don't
play ice sockey right make the maple
syrup yep
they aren't mounties and they just no
don't sneak another one in no i gave you
the bounties no i'm sad
and then so that's pretty much it yes i
am okay i agree
i just want to get to that point so
anyway we would love
to wish all of our listeners a
very merry christmas if you're an
atheist just
suck it up buttercup you know don't get
offended by somebody wishing you good
stuff
because you know somebody told me happy
hanukkah
somebody told me happy kwanzaa i won't
be like
it's like just suck it up if somebody
wishes you well
suck it up yep yeah no i agree
especially with the intent behind it
yeah you know it and same goes with me
you know
if you wish me some holiday that i don't
believe in like
valentine's day if somebody says happy
valentine's day to me i don't get
mad i i don't like valentine's day
uh god i feel like podcasted
i cannot wait i cannot wait for that
purpose
you know i i i know special yeah yeah
we we're gonna have to take at least two
breaks during that i think
just to get up to go to the back i think
on that podcast we have to bring in a
woman
a natural woman not that i'm a gangster
this identification
right you need to bring you know have an
x chromosome
and a white yeah by the way yeah yeah
i agree even if she's angry i mean i
just think we should bring one in
what about a feminist on valentine's day
that might be fun yeah as long as she's
yeah yeah yeah yeah as long as she's
yeah
so she can improve what she's right yeah
all right makes sense
anyway well merry christmas everybody
thanks for all the support we certainly
appreciate it and we will catch y'all
on the next one