To celebrate episode 50, The Wolf AND The Shepherd discuss the very first Star Wars movie, the one that started them all, discussing the differences in how the movie premiered in the United States versus England, and the Wolf does his best at dream interpretation.
welcome to this episode of the wolf and
the shepherd today
we're going to go back to our roots and
talk a little bit about
star wars today we've decided
we're going to tackle the original
movie that from 1977 a new hope but
before we get started i i
gotta ask you a question uh this has
nothing to do with star wars but this
happened to me last night and
and i i need your help on interpreting
my dream
how how good are you with interpreting
dreams
it depends if i can be sued for bad
advice
yeah well you know i i'll sue you but
uh i probably won't win because i'm too
lazy to get a lawyer
so i had this dream last night and
in the dream my wife and i are
walking through the grocery store and
we're doing our grocery shopping and all
of a sudden
the announcement comes on and
the manager whatever the store says that
you know attention all the you know
patrons of the grocery store
there's a new law that's been passed in
the united states
that it is now legal
to steal up to 75
worth of goods from a store
and that's all that was said and i look
at my wife and i say
did i just hear that right my wife says
yeah i
guess we can just take 75 dollars worth
of stuff
and i thought well that's just kind of
strange
and then i look up in the dream
and donald trump is coming down the
aisle
with a grocery cart and decides
that he wants to take 75 dollars worth
of nacho cheese
and i i look at my wife i said donald
trump
is in our grocery store and he's taking
75
worth of nacho cheese and she said yeah
that's what it looks like
and he's got secret service with him and
secret service guys say okay you have
your 75 dollars worth of nacho cheese
and then i woke up what do you think
that means i think it means somebody in
the house is pregnant
um i hope not
i hope you're wrong and uh if
you are right i'm gonna sue you if
you're right
so let's talk about star wars so we
we've done
a an episode about the prequels
and we said you know we got the prequels
out of the way
uh maybe we'll do the sequels maybe
we'll do the originals but we decided
hey
you know let's go back let's get
original and let's talk about
the first movie so we're going to talk
about star wars
a new hope yeah this replaces the
episode we were going to do on
storage wars no freaking hope of getting
anything worth crap
out of the lock up oh
see you you've got to get my email
address correct because i didn't get
that memo that we weren't going to do
that one
so so can you get my email address right
so
the shepherd the shepherd at aol.com
isn't it
no well ask jeeves.com yeah
okay well star wars episode four
new hope uh it was released may
25th 1977 in the united states
and um originally there were fewer than
40
theaters across the country that
actually ordered the film to be shown
40 theaters in the united states fewer
actually than 40. wow
so maybe like 39 or something yeah maybe
38
yeah and um 20th century fox actually
had to bribe
some of those theaters to actually order
star wars
and they bribed them uh that in order to
receive
this eagerly anticipated movie which
i've never heard of
called the other side of midnight these
uh movie theaters had to order
star wars have you ever heard of that
movie the other the other side of
midnight
the other side of midnight i mean we
know pretty big movie buffs we have
we have thousands upon thousands of
movies and i've never heard of that
movie the other side of midnight yeah
no was was that like an academy
award-nominated movie do we know that
or i don't know i'm almost tempted to
ask siri if she's heard of it but
yeah the problems we had last time with
her i don't think you need to
bother with her she gets to be contained
she's got podcasts right
i think she does yeah at least our
versions of siri yeah
does but we've got to be careful saying
her name too much while we're recording
because we both have iphones
and at least we don't say
hey and then her name because oh my god
i react
hey siri oh
oh oh she's decided to show up oh
now all of a sudden she's listening yeah
so you got to be careful
you got to be careful technology
uh no yeah say
no yeah you got to be careful
no got to be careful with that got to be
careful with technology
useful as always yes would have been
quicker for me to google it
um so uh 20th century fox so we're kind
of worried that
star wars would be um beaten out by some
of the other movies being released in
the summer
and that's why they actually moved the
release date to like may 25th they
brought it
forward a little bit and isn't that a a
weird time to release a movie
wednesday right before memorial day yeah
they didn't want it to be beaten out by
um
some of the summer blockbusters as such
coming out that year
such as smokey and the bandit which was
you know expected to be a big
big success so um yeah they actually
moved it
and i think on the opening day on the
25th
i think there was only like 32
theaters which actually showed it and
then the next day another a
started showing it but that was it
across the entire united states wow
so um and you know in the run-up to its
release
you know fox told you know george lucas
oh no 20th century fox
yeah not fox 20th century fox that's
still the same
okay okay i i we we have to be
so accurate with this podcast that we
don't want to lead anybody astray
yeah this is the this is the one one of
the few podcasts where we do actually
want to be accurate on star wars because
we know the fans will pick this to
absolutely absolutely and and
we're we're two of those fans yeah so um
yeah george lucas because
you know this communication had come
from 20th century fox that they weren't
you know too optimistic about you know
star wars being much of a success
he actually elected to forego his option
to an extra half a million
dollars for directing and he um
exchanged it for the merchandising and
sequel rights
smart guy smart smart guy
but i mean he did that you say he was
smart but
you know i mean obviously it wasn't
smart in hindsight on 20th century fox's
part
but well yeah but you're right there
but george lucas had actually visited um
steven spielberg's set when they were
doing
close encounters and george lucas said
to um
you know steven spielberg i think your
movie is going to do way better than
mine and steven spielberg actually
disagreed
and they kind of had a bet and they said
let's take two and a half percent
of each other's movies for all time so
to this day
steven spielberg still gets two and a
half percent of
star wars wouldn't wouldn't that be a
nice
position to be in to to just say hey
let's
let's bet on this yeah you know reminds
me of uh
what was the movie with uh dan aykroyd
and eddie murphy and and the rich white
guys you know they bet a dollar
uh trading places okay it's kind of that
same premise
you know you're just playing with the
world but it's
it seems like such a cheap bet at the
time now wasn't it
um one of the other one of the actors in
star wars as well
took some uh percentage
no that was alec guinness alec guinness
yeah allegheny because they couldn't
afford him or something but yeah
i mean i said i'll take a percentage of
that so so he said i'll take a
percentage
rather than whatever you pay after yeah
you know you got scale
and he was already an established actor
had been doing movies for years i mean
he was a well-known actor
peter cushing was a well known oh yeah
with a hammer horror i mean
yeah oh yeah it yeah so so those guys
made out like
bandits yeah yeah that's a
good deal but again that benefit
hindsight so um yep
within um three weeks of the release of
star wars
20th century fox's stock had actually
doubled and they mo
and they more than doubled their annual
profit in that year from any previous
year
purely because of star wars wow so um
you know again i think fox kind of got
lucky a little bit there
i know i think they definitely got lucky
i mean it it
was it at this point that they were
saying hey we're 20th century fox
and we're in 1977.
we only have 23 years left in the 20th
century
maybe we need to be rethinking our name
yeah
i mean that that had to be when it that
whole thing
started coming around saying maybe we
need to
rename our movie house yeah it's a shame
they didn't have the internet they could
have gone online and got a general
consensus of opinion
yeah that's true just posted something
on twitter and said
hey what should we name this and maybe
somebody would have said
21st century fox and they'd have been
like we just bought ourselves another
100 years
maybe we should have done that well you
know what's been happening over the past
few years whenever
any corporation or company has been
running these you know what should we
rebrand ourselves or name ourselves
thing
i don't know whether this mainly comes
from 4chan or from reddit but
a whole host of people go on there and
it's always something it would be
something
like fox foxy face yeah
or something like that and it gets the
majority of votes because they all flood
in and like
you know absolutely you know there was
um
but those do make good names it's like
oh
you want to go with fox okay yeah fox
mcfoxy face i think it was some
um semi-professional soccer team
uh in the united states actually they
were going to give the fans a chance to
come up with the official name for the
team and again either
4chan or reddit got on it and it was
going to be called like footy
footy face or something fc yeah so
yeah but i mean for soccer in the united
states let's be honest i mean that
that's probably a pretty good name for
it because it it's still not making it i
know that wears you out a little bit
because yes soccer is the biggest sport
in the world
but it still hadn't grabbed hold in the
united states
still the most played sport in the
united states
well probably so i mean we do have a lot
of kids
that have to well and adults as well
most played adult sport and most played
youth sport in the united states
okay all right but that's only because
we can't just go down the road and play
ice hockey
well that's true especially in texas
yeah
plus i can't skate for crap so there's
there i'll be a goalkeeper i think
maybe maybe you and i should play ice
hockey yeah
i've got it on the xbox one if you want
to kind of
are you better at that than rocket
league
um i'm better at giving birth than
rocket league
no i'm pretty good at rocket league now
anyway getting off topic here yeah so by
um
or we could never do that yeah no by
august 3rd star wars was actually
playing in just under 1100 theaters so
it jumped from that 40 theaters to 1100
in just over a couple of months across
the country
and there were actually 60 theaters who
played it continually for a year
wow kind of non-stop which you know i
mean given that the average star wars
fan went to see it
goodness knows how many times having it
running for a year
i mean yeah you're going to get the
repeat business from the same people and
there's not
that many movies where people you know
go do that to you know
sure yeah i mean you got star wars
in in the modern day of movies you've
got
a handful of you know your harry potters
your
uh what the hobbits and and
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what was the one before the hobbits oh
lord of the rings
lord of the rings you know things like
that you you might get people to go see
those movies
more than once but right star wars was
kind of that
yeah first one that everybody ran out
yeah before
the haters come out with star trek we're
we're not even gonna accept those
comments yeah now did you know star wars
it was actually re-released in 78 79 81
and 82 in the theaters because they
figured like you know people
had enough of a break oh they'll want to
see it the following year and the
following year but it wasn't
actually until 81 that
um episode 4 was actually subtitled a
new hope before that it was just star
wars episode 4 and then it was became
star wars episode 4 a new hope
yeah but the the fact that they
re-released it
makes sense right because this is before
home video it's
starting to take hold but nobody had
home theater you know you didn't have a
huge
tv in the house and part of star wars
was that
opening scene yeah when when the
ship flies over and the star destroyer
flies over
in that whole opening scene everybody
loves
that just got everybody to immediately
fall in love with star wars yeah it's
different to witness that in the movie
theater
versus just sitting at home watching it
on a 19-inch tv
so i could see that now um how old were
you when you first saw a new hope
because i was eight
when it was released um in the uk but
you were pretty much an embryo still
around there
well yeah i mean i i wasn't
even a thought in my father's
mind at that time when it was released
because i was born
before uh 77
but i do remember watching
star wars on television i remember
my dad sitting in the living room
recording star wars off of
television with our curtis mathis
vcr in a wired remote control
that had a play pause button
while we recorded it and it wasn't even
a button it was a
slider was that so you could cut out the
commercial yeah so you had to slide it
down to pause
and then slide it back up to hit play so
record would start just to record star
wars
off of normal broadcast television
and i sat and that was the first time i
watched star wars now did your dad go
and watch it in the movies when it was
originally released or was it not his
thing
no no he did he did he he loved the
movie and my mom loved the movie
and and they went to the theaters and
watched the movie
they they did like it and they knew you
know
new baby on the way he was gonna like it
too
yeah now i actually saw it
the summer it was released in the uk and
i remember i had to line up for three
hours
well now in the uk was this
released long after the uh in the summer
okay so not that far not that long a few
months but yeah
i remember ironically because of the
the line was yeah the line was around
the block multiple times and it was
three hours and it's not like we went
first weekend or first week
i mean it must have been like at the
second month of
release and it was still three hours wow
you know we did by no means you know
live near a
huge city or anything but yeah it i
remember staying in line three hours
with my dad
you know going in to watch it yeah but
in that kind of ironic because
all the soundstage stuff was recorded
over there
yeah um i think
you know here within
you know you go like five miles in any
direction for the most part
you're gonna hit a movie theater in you
know england
he didn't really have a lot of choice in
movie theaters i mean i think in our
closest city
there were maybe only two movie theaters
and one of them wasn't a very big one
and i think used to show
all that artsy crap which kind of like
yeah we would consider like a indie
yeah yeah yeah yeah you could pretty
much make a movie and they'd play it
yeah um so yeah i guess that kind of
explains the lines really because
we did only have one movie theater that
i can recall ever going to
and you know i don't think i had that
many screens at the movie theater
yeah you know well the movie theaters
back then
aren't like movie theaters today where
you have
like you say 16 screens 24 screens
30 screens you know stuff like that they
had
two yeah and and that was it
yeah and so you had a choice between
two movies you went left you went right
right
those were your two movies you were
gonna look at that was
it now um obviously
you didn't see it when it was first
released at the movie theater and by the
time you got a little bit older
the market was already flooded with
merchandise
now what was your first piece of star
wars merchandise
probably action figures yeah i mean i i
was so
young i i remember wanting star wars
toys
but it was action figures i i didn't get
any of the playsets anything like that
it was action figures i can guarantee
you can't guess what my first piece of
star wars merchandise was
i would guess a porg
no star wars mate first of all oh new
hotel
well i know you like porgs target
practice
target practice yeah uh so your first
piece of star wars
merchandise and this is bought in a
store
yeah i'm gonna go with
an x-wing no it was actually a blue
star wars ruler which my dad bought
for me on the way back from work and
brought it home it's a school yeah it's
a ruler
yeah school supplies a star wars ruler
but i loved it
it had may the force be with you on it
but no i love that thing that's cool now
um
did you ever get the chance to go see it
at the movie theater
well yes and of course much later in
life
when i saw the original movie
in the movie theater and and when i say
the original
actually the first time i saw a new hope
in the movie theater was actually the
special edition right
when they got re-released well that was
like 91 wasn't it a special edition
exactly
yeah that's that's when i first so you
never got to see the original unaltered
one in the movie theater no i didn't it
yeah now not to get too off topic
but the first movie that i ever saw
in the movie theater with or
for me of course but i also saw with my
father
was return of the jedi in 1983
okay so you know this was
obviously i had watched star wars i had
watched empire
and now i'm
five six years old
i'm old enough in my father's eyes to
actually go to the movie
and sit there and watch a movie but the
absolute the first movie i saw in a
movie theater
was return of the jedi right so
obviously empire was already out by the
time you first went
and so yeah a jedi been out for a while
by
the time he first went sorry because
that must be jedi was 83
yeah you know so new hope was 77
empire was 80. jedi was 83
yeah and it was still in the movies and
you know in 83 i was five six years old
yeah and that was the first time my dad
took off work and came home
and picked me up and we went to the
movies and we saw jedi yeah
in the theater so you mentioned that
your dad illegally copied it off the tv
did you actually own the dvd or
laserdisc of star wars at some point
well we we didn't have money like people
in the uk
to have laser discs oh we didn't have a
lace fix yeah
so uh my first copies of star wars
were recorded off tv so
my first copy of star wars was recorded
off of uh cbs
kdfw uh cbs
and i'll never forget and even when i
watched the movie today when luke and
leia
are about to go across the
the gap when they
you know look shoots the laser
hits the the lock and says well we gotta
swing across here
during that scene there was
a deal that popped up from the local tv
station
kdfw that popped up right there so every
time i see star
wars a new hope i picture that because
when
i would watch that movie over and over
again i would see the little station
identification
right there yeah because that's where it
was recorded yeah
empire was actually recorded
by one of my dad's friends who had hbo
and so he recorded it off of hbo
so there were no interruptions on that
one there were no
like weird hard stops on that but we
still had that vhs
and i wore that vhs tape out
and i can't remember you know this is
back in the day
when you had that slp vhs
where you could have six hours on the
tape and there were
like three movies on it and empire was
actually the second movie on there so i
had to
constantly fast forward through whatever
the first movie was
just to get to empire to watch that
return of the jedi we
recorded i think
off of hbo and i think that's when we
finally got cable so we actually had a
a nice clean copy that we did for
ourselves
but it was still on slp and i think
after return of the jedi was
the ten commandments or something like
that so there were three movies on that
yeah i recorded it off tv i actually had
a friend
who the summer it was released
was going to new york for holiday later
on in the summer probably closer to the
fall
and um one of his friends who
uh well i think it might have been a
relative who lived over there said
hey you know if you go uh you know in a
manhattan you know there's a lot of
people hawking you know
kind of like videos you know on the
street corners and stuff and you can you
could probably buy star wars for like
you know ten dollars fifteen dollars and
it'd be a really good car
just just so we're clear we we know
nothing about
hawking like pirated and nobodies no
i think hawking is selling them yeah you
know like yeah street corners and we
don't
do that this is brand new information
we're just talking so
anyway so anyway you went there right
and he bought it
him and his um i think his brother his
brother was older than him but yeah they
walked around
um and actually managed to find a copy
and they bought it
but where they were staying there didn't
have a vhs they just had a betamax
right and so they had to wait till they
got back to england to play it
now obviously there was a little bit of
an issue with the format
so um they put the movie in and it
started playing and it was uh
a different uh line rate or frame rate
or something i can't remember what they
used to call it because
um yeah yeah because it was an ntsc
format as opposed to power
power yeah so anyway so we all had piano
so when it started playing it was in
black and white okay
and it turned out it wasn't star wars at
all
it was a porn movie involving clowns
and a lot of screaming i
i thought that's what episode 4 was
well maybe episode nine
i would have rather watched the pawn
with the clowns and screaming in black
and white
let's be honest episode eight would have
been better off if it would have been
actually yeah yeah episode eight of
course yeah yeah but that's that's where
later date
hey we're we're supposed to be focused
on episode four
hey yeah we got to focus we got to focus
here
so how many how many times while you
were still
i guess a kid as such did you see star
wars oh did you watch star wars
do you think way too many to count
way too many over 150
no i i mean thousands thousands
of times i mean i i was
eight nine years old and i could quote
the whole movie
yeah start to finish i mean i i i knew
it every
little bit of that movie by the time i
was eight or nine years old
all the star wars yes funny i could i
could reenact everything with the
action figures that i had you know i i
knew about kdfw
channel 4 you know oh
wait a second two three seconds okay
here's where
that kdfw channel four pops up
right now when they're about to swing
across here
oh here's where my dad messed up
whenever he was sliding the deal on the
curtis mathis vcr
and cut out two seconds of the movie
i i i knew it that well it's kind of
amazing how you got a girlfriend really
yes yeah yes well other than the fact
that i'm
a gorgeous man yeah but
yeah i don't know i'm a gorgeous man
it's um it's funny because our friend
eric when he used to live around the
corner
he was not a gorgeous he's not a
gorgeous man not like you and i
um whenever i used to go round his
we used to put on a rogue one because we
you know we had a you know copy of it
and
literally almost every day that's what
we put on so i think across
i think across the uh time span of a
year i think i saw rogue one maybe about
250 times yeah
just like three four times a week
without fail and it's just always
playing in the background and then um
it actually replaced because we had hot
tub time machine which is always a great
background movie sure and and
unfortunately that's one of those movies
where i think i know
it almost word for word yeah you know
it's
it's just crazy how you can have some
movies even if you're not concentrating
them just on in the background and you
feel comfortable whereas
some movies i just can't have on in the
background because it annoys me
right now all the screaming in
schindler's list i just can't work
with that there's a lot of movies that
you know like you say you consider
background movies that you've seen
so many times
and then you know all of a sudden
you realize maybe you forget a few lines
from right and that's actually where my
wife likes to
throw stones at me because it
i don't watch a new hope as much as i
used to when i was a kid still loved the
movie
but i will get a random word
here or they're wrong and then she just
beats me you know
just mentally like oh i thought you were
a star wars fan
yet you said and and there was no and
there
and you're wrong and i thought you were
a star wars fan
and then it makes me want to beat her
but i don't beat her
now um you said that the special edition
was the first one you saw
now later on in the theater yeah yeah
okay yeah
so you did see the unaltered edition
before that now
now what do you think of the special
edition compared to the unaltered
version do you kind of i mean given it
was you were so young when you saw both
i mean
looking back at special editions
a new hope to me
lucas did a good job i remember
watching a pbs special which by the way
we recorded on our curtis mathis vcr
and the making of star wars
and they showed the scene that they put
in the special edition with jabba and
they had
you know that actor that was wearing the
suit and everything
and han solo's walking around him and
and talking to him
and all that i didn't think
the original trilogy that
the special edition i don't think it
did it a disservice except for the whole
greedo
shot first or han shot first and i know
that's
a big deal uh and that was like two or
three
iterations after that and
i mean we could do a podcast about that
if we were a star wars podcast right
which
i mean let's be honest we could actually
do a star wars podcast but
we don't want to do that uh but
i think all in all the special editions
were okay i i didn't have a problem with
it yeah i i
honestly didn't have a problem with them
it's like
77 80 83
there's only so much technology
available and everybody looks back at
those movies and said
look what lucasfilm did with these
movies and what they were
able to accomplish with special effects
and now all of a sudden you fast forward
20 years
and you give a guy this ability with
computers and everything else to
to make everything look great and he
just said well let me clean some
of this up and and make it look better
that's all he was trying to do he wasn't
trying to change the story
back then right i'm
good with the special editions but when
i showed my kids the original movies
my kids have seen the original movies
and the special editions they
like the special editions better
but they're also kids yeah so
now we have the 4k versions of all of
the star wars movies and
a new hope is difficult to watch in 4k
especially on
you know because it is i've got a
80-inch tv and watching
4k a new hope on there it's it's almost
like watching a soap opera it's just
overly clean i have to go back right you
know if i put it on deliberately
i tend to put on the um you know
unaltered
version but even that you know it's just
so clear because i guess they remastered
it and did all this stuff with it and
even that on the big tv
it's kind of difficult you know it looks
better on a smaller tv
you know well you you also have to
remember that when you were
watching those movies you were watching
a movie on film
in in its actual film strip
going through a projector so it it looks
different
and now everything's digitized and it's
so cleaned up that
yeah it does make it
a little bit harder to watch because
those special effects
that they had back then you know you're
taking
something that we have now and cleaning
it up
that unmasks those special effects
that were easily hidden way back then
because of film
and it's it is it's hard to watch
now um if you ignore the other eight
movies in this series which obviously
isn't hard to do with the final trilogy
what's your impression of a new hope
almost like 45 years later do you think
if it was released now and obviously had
the special effects which
kept it in line with today's quality of
special effects do you think
plotline storyline that it would still
be as well received
absolutely if you took that storyline
and you applied today's special effects
today's sci-fi
capabilities and everything it would
hold up
two hundred percent yeah to what
hollywood's putting out
but i mean as the original movie not
being redone with all the kind of
absolutely you know the original movie
it would hold up
if you showed that movie if it was
shot today and you showed it to an
audience who had no idea what
star wars was it would hold off
now what do you think say your kids were
watching it now for the first time right
compared to everything else which has
been out again ignoring all the other
star wars movies
do you think they would pick any holes
in it in terms of
well why aren't they doing this why are
they doing that blah blah blah because
obviously technology
back then in 77 was very different now
and you think
you know some of the technology you look
at in the original star wars trilogy
seems kind of backwards even by today's
technology we use now you know i mean
they're
wired headphones in the millennium
falcon for one but exactly
that's where i was going the the wired
headphones and
all that but you know what if you're
talking about
shooting the movie today with the same
screenplay
there wouldn't be wired headphones well
there's a fan theory on there
actually that you know if you didn't
know what the ship
is old enough no no not even that it's
about
you if you didn't want your signal to be
hacked
or copied have been having it wired and
keeping it
you know kind of almost like an analog
network would make sure that your signal
and conversations couldn't be
intercepted so having it wired
and got rid of his iphone because you
have to have an android because
somebody might read his text messages
well now he got rid of the iphone
because he kept dropping it like a
14 year old girl well
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that's the one half dozen yeah so um
although the suggestions kind of
blasphemy in a lot of star wars circles
do you think star wars could be remade
today without it
being kind of a virtue signaling piece
of garbage sure
no never happened it would never happen
and that's a sad thing we picked the
perfect time to have that movie made
we really did uh
it's kind of sad because the scoundrel
character of han solo would have been
looked at
as some kind of womanizer some kind of
would have been toxic masculinity yeah
it would have been bad
uh carrie fisher who
played a great role in that and then you
found out later
what a powerful woman she was
everybody would have said oh no they're
just
placating to the the male
tale of what a woman is that have made
her wear pants as well
yeah it wouldn't work
yeah it wouldn't have worked now i did
read on one big star wars forum
uh that the general consensus has kind
of split a little bit that
if you gave the guys involved in rogue
one and the mandalorian
complete autonomy over everything that
they wrote the script
casted it produced and directed it it
might be worth the gamble
that's a tough one because rogue one and
obviously the mandalorian are more kind
of gritty
the casting has been was fantastic you
know
shot very well and of just those guys
who were involved in that did
everything you know did everything
themselves no outside interference
but i think the reason why rogue one
and mandalorian worked
is because those guys were star wars
fans yeah
they they realized why some of that
stuff worked they
realized that now we have this you know
kind of a
new version of what we have to have
and they're mixing it in and they're
doing it the right way
yeah they didn't do it like uh
rian johnson well actually on that on
that same forum
uh everybody agreed they'd rather have a
pedophile as their kids pe teacher
than let ryan johnson near anything star
wars related ever again
absolutely yeah me too
now who would you cast in a remake
who in a remake yeah
say the rogue one and mandalorian guys
you know going to remake it
who are you going to cast so so remake
of a new hope
uh okay all right so
luke skywalker that's a tough one
so i'm going to
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punt that for a minute i i'm gonna say
uh
it's hard i was trying to think about
this early it's hard with all of the
characters
it it really is
i don't know i it is hard isn't it wow
no i i was looking at that on the forum
and nobody could agree
yeah was this a stop the shepherd
because you have officially stumped the
shepherd well i actually think
there was one thing they did agree on
they did think that you and mcgregor
could actually play obi-wan
yeah but you're talking about today yeah
well
okay okay yeah i i can't picture
anthony daniels not being c-3po
well you wouldn't know would you
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and then he could just be a voice and
you know kenny baker
rest in peace he's gone uh peter mayhew
rest in peace he's gone uh my gosh
i mean david prowls rest in peace he's
gone
it can't picture anybody other than
james earl jones being the voice of
darth vader
but i mean maybe
princess leia is
selma hayek 20 years ago
but not today i i i
i don't know yeah that is
called yeah i mean how do you recast
that movie i
i don't i don't think you can recast
that movie
i don't think it's possible there's a
lot of good actors
out there um i'm sure if we actually sat
down and went
went with a piece of paper and went
through some of our favorite movies over
the last 10 years we'd probably be able
to find
some good enough actors who i don't
think so i disagree
i i don't think we could it but you're
talking about
10 years ago you said today yeah yeah if
you were remaking it today
if we were remaking it today it no
because a lot of my favorite yeah a lot
of my favorite actors i can't see where
they'd fit in the movie
if you take people like edward norton or
leonardo dicaprio
i don't know what roles you could give
them in the movie yeah you know
now hang on leonardo dicaprio could
probably pull off grand moff talking
yeah maybe if he was cast as a much
younger kind of
well yeah you could age him a little bit
yeah
so so maybe he could pull that
he's quite short though and grandma i
don't know how tall peter cushion was
but yeah but
it i don't think he was that tall yeah
and okay and that's where we're at yeah
so
that's it yeah i mean who else is
out there in hollywood that could
actually do this
i mean well let's look at good actors
okay russell crowe is a great actor but
can you see him in there
i mean brad pitt is a great actor but
you can't really see him in there
sorry um i agree with both those yeah
no they can't do it yeah um christian
bale
no no no sorry not a good actor
i think he's a decent actor i know he's
not yeah i think he is but anyway again
it's just like
even with my favorite actors i can't see
where you'd fit the characters
the original cast might be irreplaceable
because it's so branded in your memory
that
yeah it maybe is it maybe is blast for
me to try and remake it
yeah that's a good point i just i i
don't
see it i don't see it happening yeah
you can't remake that right you can't do
it
yeah now i figured this would be one of
those topics
we could actually do a stump the
shepherd on because
what you're telling me is you tease me
there was gonna be no stump the shepherd
and now here we go okay and uh
so so we're all clear i haven't watched
a new hope in two weeks
yeah yeah maybe three weeks so
give me a little bit of clearance here
well so
here we go as long as you get in the
ballpark on these okay
you're okay all right now they're not
outrageously difficult ones except for
the last one
so uh since 1977
unadjusted for inflation how much
has the original star wars movie
made worldwide purely in movie theaters
so not on sales on dvd
blu-ray
and 750 million dollars pretty close
seven hundred and seventy five
ah pretty close oh we thought you were
smart over there no i think
i figured you'd get close to that
because i think we actually discussed
that
in how much money the in the in the uh
yeah and the yeah yeah we're too lazy to
remember
that stuff now do you know what the
original budget was for
a new hope uh i want to say
it was like 20 something million dollars
even lower than that was it yeah
well oh okay you're talking about
original 77
yeah oh okay it was uh
less than three million dollars no it's
eleven million dollars
oh okay yeah you can barely make a
commercial for that nowadays
but um well in contrast do you know how
much
it costs to make a rise of skywalker
7.25 yeah and filmed on an
iphone 8 yes uh base based off
quality well it had a budget of 275
million dollars wow so you could have
made 250
pretty much approximately you know star
wars a new hopes for the cost of the
rise of skywalker now how many academy
awards did
a new hope win okay so
i used to know this uh
john williams won for best original
score
yeah um
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i don't remember if there was
an award for uh technical achievements
back then but i'm pretty sure there was
and they won for best special effects
yes oh i'm just asking for a number you
don't have to tell me what oh
so so how many how many
oscars yeah did the movie win uh
uh four it's actually
seven seven that one for best original
score
best film editing best editing
okay yeah best art direction best
costume design
best original score we've already had
sorry uh best sound rather best visual
effects and special achievement awards
oh yeah well there's all those oscars
out there that
most people don't get to see right
so you know i i i get that you get that
do you know how many the rise of
skywalker won
negative one zero
i think uh i was close the one before
that yeah got
negative one yeah in fact yeah
yeah it makes sense now um how tall was
david proust who played
darth vader uh six nine
no six six
okay that's close now um
actually do you know how tall uh james
earl jones who did the voice
no uh 16. he's that big yeah
no he's a big dude yeah
not remember him in a coming to america
well of course i do yeah
and he's a big guy but he he's one of
those
it kind of like me i don't
stand up straight you know i always see
james earl jones and he just kind of
doesn't stand up straight anymore
right you know most people say oh you're
not six foot tall
yeah i am and then when i stand up
straight like oh yeah you're actually
tall i'm like yeah but it hurts to
stand up straight so i'd rather not how
tall
was peter mayhew six seven
seven two no kidding yeah
what about kenny baker
eight nine now uh now uh
kenny baker was three six i think
three seven three yeah
now here's one which you have no chance
of getting so this is my
favorite question to asking well
let's be honest you just asked me all
those and i'm
i think i figured you'd get close well i
got closer yeah you got close to mostly
i wouldn't have a clue for most of those
to be honest
now um how many tie fighters did the
first death star have
and obviously they get this official
figure from the expanded universe novels
this is a bunch of nerds sitting there
yeah figuring this out
but it is official star wars universe
fast oh this is
more of that what's canon what's not
canon
well this is which i i just get so worn
out with
to me just answer the question shepard
how many tie fighters did the first
death star have cannon is what was on
the screen
not all this crap but i'm gonna go
with i mean you've got this
little moon floating around there
128.
no well
i know what five would have said six or
10 million you were gonna look at me and
say no
well 10 million would have been a bit
rough
and six might have been a bit unequipped
okay yeah
so 128 this figure is going to astound
you for a couple of reasons
okay the first one is well that seems a
bit of a strange number
the second one is the number itself
seven thousand two hundred and ninety
three
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yeah that seems a bit excessive now is
that a prime number
i don't know hey siri
is 7293 a prime number
yeah so how'd that work out for you well
i just wanted to know because it just
seemed a random number but i guess if it
divides by something i was figuring the
person who designed the bays
where all the tie fighters go in you
know yeah but why wouldn't it be an
even number um well i guess
as it is about something well now hang
on you've got
vader's tie fighter right that might be
the
three so maybe now you should ask her
seven thousand three ninety two
but and even well we know what that is
yeah yeah
yeah okay now now have a now do you know
how many uh
personnel it had on board over three
million
1.7 million military personnel now there
are others as well obviously like
cleaners and
stuff like that and everything yeah
don't leave them out of here
yeah yeah they're on the subway yeah
yeah
i mean if somebody's gotta be running
the jersey mike
and saying hey i'm making you a sandwich
yeah so don't leave them somebody has to
save the alien ale
that's right yeah yep you absolutely do
yeah
you've got b arthur that's running the
bar
and she's saying hey here's a beer yeah
yeah
and that's one do you think alien ale
was free on the death star or
i'm sure it was a happy hour dream yeah
i don't think it was that explains why a
lot of those thai fighter pilots
couldn't really fly for crap though if
they had a bit too much alien ale that
would you know what if i if i had to
be a tie fighter pilot and deal with
that yeah that would be
buzz buzz space flying i i mean i'd want
to fly around
and be yeah yeah yeah i get that
so lastly on that question how many
droids do you think there were
oh good lord you know i
i don't know how many mice were running
around on the death star
probably no no because i'm pretty sure
they had good road and control
on there probably which some of the
droids were responsible for
ah that's good point
4.5 million 400 000
and you call yourself a star wars fan
your wife would be ribbing you for those
words
i'm just not as much of a star wars fan
as i thought i was
right so so going into the last part of
the podcast
um i did want you to have the majority
of the uh
talk on today's podcast given it's your
all-time favorite movie
well empire is but yes
yeah yeah you know i wanted you to be
able to kind of
talk about it so um who's your favorite
character in a new hope
because i think mine changed from movie
to movie my favorite characters in some
movies were not really characters enough
well i mean like luke skywalker
certainly wasn't my favorite character
in the any of the final
you know luke was never my favorite
character but he was some peoples but i
doubt he was in the final trilogy
you know i i still have to go with vader
yeah i mean
to this day i'm still an empire fan
i'm still a darth vader fan but
i'm i'm sticking with my boy yeah
darth vader darth vader through all the
movies everything else
and we could probably do a podcast on
why
the empire is actually the good guys
yeah
i mean they really were but i'm i'm
gonna stick with darth vader
right i think i'd have to go with han
solo mainly because i can relate because
most of my life i've had big hairy
things following me around so
no yeah well so with
with me saying darth vader is my first
i gotta say a close second is r2d2
because i love r2d2 hate c3po
but love r2 now who's your least
favorite character in the
new hope in a new hope
man i gotta think about that one you see
it's one of those things to me
like if you ask that same question for
rogue one i think
every character pretty much perfectly
fitted the role
for that script that it was very
difficult to say you disliked
any character because they all did a
good job for who they played
i i would probably have to say in a new
hope
it'd have to be uncle owen
you know because he was such a prick you
know he
he had everything and peru was like you
know look at him like
yeah what what's your problem yeah you
know why can't you
man up yeah you've got him doing all
this stuff and now columbus like
oh i can't do it maybe next summer yeah
yeah yeah i'm not gonna let you do all
this
so i would have said uncle owen yeah
would be my least
yeah but that's because you don't like
the character he's playing
though i mean i think that's just the
question well i kind of mean as in a
character you just
don't like just because it was a crap
character
i mean the fact that the fact you
disliked him it means he probably did a
good job of being that idol
no what no okay crap character
i know the answer to this it's the guy
that says
oh hold your fire let's not shoot at
this because it's
just some random pod that's coming out
of here no life forms on board yeah
and we can't waste one laser blast to do
this
without that guy's worthless well yeah i
mean he's
more on i don't know whether it's his
character i mean i guess that's a plot
hole
in terms of yeah why didn't you just
blow it up you know the movie would have
ended then i guess was what
i was like well that goes back to global
warming
and they didn't want a global warm space
a vacuum
well well no you got to remember it's
tatooine it's a desert planet they
didn't want to warm it up anymore so
but it was in space at the time when
they were going to blow it up oh yeah
because it just
one laser blast might have warmed the
planet yeah
i'm just saying there's nobody that guy
that guy
whoever it is i i yeah honestly i hope
is dead
now i hope he died of horrible like
painful cancer and the
the last breath that he said i should
have
shot that i i should have said no
george lucas please just let me shoot
that and
and then the movie would have been like
10 minutes long right
there you go now other than that would
you have changed the movie in any way
hmm and i mean i i mean look i mean
looking back
now not even when you saw it when you
were a kid i mean now if you could go
back and change anything
and even taking into account all the
rest of the movies in the series
would you have changed anything like
giving darth vader more screen time
would you have made the
fight scenes better because i mean like
the fight scenes in the phantom menace
were fantastic with
the lightsabers no they weren't whereas
let's be honest in a new hope
it's you and i could go out in the
backyard and do a better
choreography in terms of like those uh
lightsaber battles they were pretty lame
yeah
uh no
that's that's one thing that the
prequels did have very very good lights
no i agree with you they did that well
uh i i don't think i would have changed
anything you know you got to remember
obi-wan supposed to be an old man
and you know you take somebody that was
supposed to be a
great jedi and swinging around his
lightsaber really well
flipping around and then all of a sudden
put some age on him
and don't get me started on yoda being
old and all that crap right
so no that i would say no right yeah
i've seen the fan edit that they have
where it's a a much better battle
between
obi-wan and vader and all this and
i'm like no no it needed to be that way
i mean vader was getting up there in
age so was obi-wan
but they could still hold their own i
mean even in
empire even though we're not supposed to
be talking about that movie right now
vader was throwing stuff around with the
force and
and doing all that stuff but well i
think the only thing he did was a choke
hold and i think that's the only real
use of the force he did in
a new hope wasn't it yeah well then
there were a couple of things
but i find your lack of faith disturbing
yeah but he's still an old man
well yeah but you but you remember like
in rogue one
that end scene was probably the best
darth vader scene ever exactly
i mean he was using that stuff but
slamming them up to the ceiling
and that's true this was only a few
weeks prior
fair enough i think i think they could
have made him a bit more badass
you know no i guess but maybe it would
have stolen the movie too much because
if you'd had a darth vader like you had
in
rogue one i think it would have been oh
yeah
well it's like luke with the latest
episode of the
mandalorian and you see he has that
same mirror image of him going through
yeah and whipping the lights but we
never saw him doing that but we never
saw him in any of the movies
right in that kind of situation being
able to do that
you know but all of a sudden yeah now it
years later you realize what you're
capable of well it's the same thing with
um
yoda when you look at um
you know episode 8 when he's suddenly
able to
you know even his force ghost you know
does all this stuff or you take
you know yoda back in um you know the
prequels
you know that it's not like you know the
original trilogy was
that far you know that long after for
somebody who's living like 800 900 years
you know again he's he's like an asian
he aged very badly very quickly
true you know true he did now what do
your kids think of a new hope compared
to the other star wars movies
is it their favorite one or do they
prefer the ones no my kids
prefer the prequels yeah and i still
love them
you know your kids yeah yeah yeah but
they're wrong
but i still love them yeah
now uh last question do you regret not
being able to marry princess leia yes
every day i think every day of my life
and you know
you hear that old story about uh
you know a man and a woman they get
married and they always say
you know who's who's your
your freebie mine was always carrie
fisher
yeah and my wife knew that my wife knows
that to this day
yeah and i think she probably sleeps
better at night knowing that
she's dead sure has passed away because
because even when even about a year or
so before she passed away she was still
on the list
yes yeah no she's just that loyal on the
list
yeah and i my wife knows
that carrie fisher to me
is my my princess now i know you
now i know you like her now i know you
liked her in
jedi i think when she's in the in
jabba's slave
palace whatever but um i actually in new
hope i think she's at her most gorgeous
i think she looks
beautiful in a new hope she she look i
gotta be honest with you even in the
later movies
to me oh she's still very pretty i mean
she's she's she's
she's like linda carter who played
wonder woman even even in her 60s she's
still like
gorgeous she's got that bone structure
those eyes and just
absolutely beautiful to me she was
always
she yeah she will always be my princess
yeah she will
always be my princess so we've just
discovered that the wolf and the
shepherd are into guilts
yeah um you know i look back
at when uh
we had it's not called comic-con but
it's kind of similar to comic-con
here in you know the dfw metroplex
and carrie fisher was there
and for some reason we didn't go
and i told the wife i said you know i
really regret this because you know you
look at comic-con things and
and just to meet somebody or whatever
it's ridiculous price it's like 150
dollars or whatever i'm like i don't
want to pay that because i'm cheap or
whatever
but i saw carrie fisher was going to be
there i'm like i
you know i i think i actually want to go
i
i think i actually want to go and and
just i'll pay that money
just to
be that close to carrie fisher and let
her
sign an autograph that i'll probably
lose on the way home i'll probably lose
it under the seat of the car or
something like that but
just to say i i got that close to her
and for some reason we didn't do that
and no kidding it was the next year
that she passed away and i look back at
that
and regret it and even you asked my wife
today she realizes that i made a mistake
there because
you know she's she's got her you know
hunks or whatever that
she likes and they're still live and
every once in a while they come around
for things she's like oh i want to go
see this and i'm like oh nope
sorry didn't get to meet carrie fisher
so sucks to be you because
i didn't get to meet mine so you can't
meet yours
and until they're dead then we can all
sit around to campfire and say
sucks to be us no so that's what we like
well
finish by saying shepherd may the force
be with you
yeah and may the force be with you
also it kind of like when i used to go
to
church with my wife when she grew up in
the catholic church
they always said you know peace be with
you i always thought
well it's kind of like may the force be
with you but
may the force be with everyone who's
listening to this podcast and we
certainly
appreciate you listening to our podcast
and we will catch you
on the next one