The Wolf And The Shepherd sit down with the owners of The Cloud Shop, a smoke shop in north Texas where marijuana is still illegal but due to a loophole in the Farm Act of 2018, delta 8 is legal. Azmi and Cameron joined the Wolf and the Shepherd to discuss these loopholes and how Texas is going to be next in the THC legalization.
welcome to this episode of the wolf and
the shepherd today in the studio we have
with us
as me and cameron from the cloud house
guys
glad you could join us today man thank
you for the invite
absolutely so uh these guys have a
smoke shop right down the way from our
studio
and we decided one day just on
happenstance to just kind of walk down
there and check it out
and met these guys and we said you know
hey we need to bring them in and we need
to
talk a little bit about some of the
stuff that they've got going on
in their smoke shops well it wasn't
really happenstance it was more
fat you were being nosy and you told me
to drive around the block three times to
see what was going on
well yeah that's because we were
recording that night and they have all
these bright lights outside
we're not used to bright lights and i'm
like well wait a second it's not
christmas
yeah they they have all these christmas
lights outside and
they decorate the outside of their shop
better than i do
my house at christmas time and i was a
little bit jealous yeah and normally the
only entertainment we have down this
strip
is that like daily between 12 o'clock
and one o'clock
the people who work next door basically
choke to death on their dinner and yeah
every day without fail
that's true yeah it sounds like we need
to take in respirators well
that's the best entertainment we've had
until uh the cloud house came along well
yeah i'm pretty sure doc holliday is
next door yeah yeah so esme cameron
tell us a bit about yourselves
background where you grew up
where you went to school and you know
how did you get into this
so we always me and him we we grew up in
uh here in texas
um and i moved to arlington
i'm just gonna say how we met pretty
much i just went to school before i was
a young
kid i grew up i grew up in alvarado then
we moved to arlington and i met him in
seventh grade football
and um you know after that we kind of
just became best friends
uh and then we you know we got older we
grew up in arlington
and in 2017
my dad would my dad is a businessman
also he he opened convenience stores
um and he was in the convenience store
lifestyle but he was
he was wondering what new things you get
into and i told them i was like
you know i've seen smoke shops which we
got to get into to to opening smoke
shops
you know it's it wasn't saturated yet
the market there was there wasn't very
many smoke shops there was a few
that were here and there people who
opened it early early on
and stuff like that but i was like we
gotta just open a smoke shop
so you know i finally convinced him and
he opened a smoke shop and and using
that smoke shop i learned everything i
could about smoke shops i learned
the licensing where the distributors are
where everything was
uh you know as i pretty much ran that
place
for a while and i used it as a learning
experience
and then after that i decided to to go
and do my own thing
and he also came with me and we just
i mean really just went from there after
you open your first smoke shop every
other smoke shop after that's easy it's
it's
just licensing and being able to get the
products um
we opened one in bedford but they
wouldn't let us get the licensing so we
had to close that one and then we got
one
here in fort worth uh that one's still
going and then we just opened the cloud
house here
and well i guess technically fort worth
also technically keller so like it's in
the
it's in the middle of both yeah well we
call it fort keller
right i mean it's north fort worth but
it's kind of outskirts of keller
so uh walk us back to the one in bedford
i mean you
you said you opened it up and then just
all of a sudden
you couldn't open it up anymore i mean
walk us through that
how did that happen so smoke shops you
know are always in the gray area right
so
bedford there's one smoke shop they got
easy's that's it there is no other smoke
shop so you know i
i confused me for a while and i we just
thought about opening one so we went
to even apply for the licenses you have
to have a building
but you know since smoke shops are still
in the iffy to a lot of people
especially here in texas i always put
you know amendments in there
saying if we can't get the co or we
can't do this we can't do this or that
that we can we can void the lease um
sure
you know and and and the landlord
understands you know usually i do have
under understanding landlords
especially ones that allow you to open a
smoke shop they understand uh
stuff because it's like opening a bar or
a liquor store i mean it's it's it's not
as easy as every other retail store you
have a little more hoops to go through a
little more licensing to get
in bedford when they got a new city
council
they banned letting people open smoke
shops so i didn't know that until after
i got the building
technically really you're not allowed to
do that you're not allowed to just
you can't allow someone to control a
market in a city so for a little while
we're trying to fight them
you know we're going to city council
meetings and we're we're doing this but
eventually i mean just the energy we're
wasting and
and the fact that bedford really just
isn't it's an all right place
but i mean i didn't think it was going
to be a completely booming smoke shop
either so like it was just kind of
it just at some point the fight wasn't
really worth fighting anymore so you
know i just
i backed out just cut the lease and i
just went ahead and left because they
weren't going to let me they weren't
gonna let me get the co for the building
yeah no that totally makes sense i mean
most people probably think that
you know hey these guys are coming in
here and they're opening the shop and
they have no business since they're just
like oh
hey i'm gonna throw some stuff in a shop
here and try to make some money
and you could be treated
basically as a neophyte you know that
somebody
doesn't know what they're doing or
whatever and then when they
realize hey this guy actually knows what
he's doing it's probably a surprise
to be honest with you right yeah and
then and they think that i guess it's
gonna raise the crime rate but i mean if
bedford is a small city like five miles
wide there's a smoke shop
right on the city border you know what i
mean so it's not really it really isn't
hurting them and i mean bedford we i
mean we've all been to bedford
you know it's it's not really a city
where or opening a smoke shop would be
bad
right you know what i mean the crime
rate's not high i mean it's not high i
mean it's probably a medium average
crime right over in bedford
it's nothing crazy i just i i don't know
how they would perceive crime rate with
smoke shots because they let liquor
stores open over there
right like you got a liquor store on
every corner but you can't open a smoke
shop so
i know i think that would be a very
disappro disappropriate kind of
connection between
crime in a smoke shop i mean it's not
like it's a crackdown or a meth house or
something you can understand that where
it's on
you know kind of black market channels
but when you've actually got a store and
people go in and buy
stuff just like they'd go in and to a
7-eleven and buy maybe
you know milk or you know orange juice
or
you know chips or something i mean i i
just don't see that link and i think
you know i mean i lived in bedford for
about five years close to the bedford
boys ranch there an apartment complex
and
you know it's a nice area but you know
that area there hasn't really changed or
evolved much in maybe about 15 years
is pretty much exactly the same it's
really a thoroughfare you know it's one
of those places you pass through to get
somewhere else
and it's it and and i don't understand
why they put it into effect because they
opened the easies i think in 2004 right
and they stopped allowing smoke shops in
2011 but nobody even tried
like there was literally not a point to
not allow smoke shops it wasn't
bringing bad people i mean i mean you
know
so i the where they got the connotation
just kind of blows my mind i don't know
if
if euless since it's kind of their
sister city
i had said something about it and they
just agreed because i don't think you
can open smoke shops in euless either
euless bedford i mean they need to try
i've lived here my whole life and i
still don't know where first you listen
to bedford
yeah are all the same to me that's one
city
yeah i mean they're eating now they're
probably they're just so small i mean
you could probably drive
through all three of them in 20 minutes
absolutely well i think there's actually
one road which does actually pass
through all three yes yeah and it's not
really
that long yeah i know what road you're
talking about it's it's uh it was
a precinct is a precinct line yeah yeah
absolutely now how do you when you're
starting up
kind of advertise where you're at
because there's been so many smoke shops
and cbd oil
you know stores kind of opening up in
the last three four years
how do you kind of promote yourself and
let people know hey we're here
man honestly i don't i mean really i
just i put the sign up and i put the
lights
and you know the light i mean that's why
my lights are so bright right i don't
you know you see easy's they got you
know most of them got the simple three
led lights but you know i get the ones
that change colors and they flash and
all that kind of stuff
but that's the point right is it but i
if people smoke they'll notice the place
and they'll come you know i wanted to
put a sign on the road but the landlord
wouldn't let me so i couldn't do that
and
and there's not really i mean i could
advertise uh
sometimes maybe i did one time i'll go
to the post office and i'll get little
banners made and pay to have them put
mailboxes
um but really the best really the best
way and the only way that's always been
successful
is you just move into a place where i
mean everybody smokes so i mean they see
the place they'll automatically come
check it out they like the people they
like the prices and they'll keep coming
back
they're really really is no advertising
that you can do much for a smoke shop
just to
all you got to do is let people know
you're there and they'll come and pretty
much it's
yeah like you said it's just word of
mouth people start to travel and
and it's all also i know smoke shops are
a lot based on reviews which is why i
try to
we try to have the best customer service
the best prices and everything like that
is that we want to keep it a friendly
environment you know we're trying to put
couches in there soon too so we can you
know
like make it a little chill spot but you
know we're trying to see what happens
with
covert regulations we don't want it to
get worse and go back but i mean with
everything it looks like we're going in
a very positive direction
on that topic so it looks like i don't
think they'll be decreasing the
uh volume size again because at some
point i was only allowed to allow five
people in my other smoke shop at a time
you know so so i don't think hopefully
it won't go back to that but
i i want to prepare i don't want to
spend too much money and go back to that
you know what i mean
actually so you you talk about you know
that
welcoming atmosphere right i mean it's
the word of mouth it's the welcoming
atmosphere so how do you
vet a employee you know
so most people are thinking okay the
employees in
some of these places you know they're
just potheads or
or whatever you know that's the only
people that want to work here
and obviously to you that's very
important
when somebody walks in your shop that
they're treated good
that all that so how do you go through
the
employee vetting process of figuring out
who you want to represent your shop so i
i
the the thing you'll see with me when
you're close by so you'll notice it is i
always have
long lasting employees i do not go
through employees like most other smoke
shops do you know
a lot of other smoke shops will walk in
one day and the next day that they'll be
gone and the next day they'll be gone
a lot of smoke shops are like that no i
with me i i usually for the first couple
of days
it's not training but i'll sit there and
watch them you know what i mean
i'll see how their attitude is how they
talk to people
how they talk to customers all that kind
of stuff and i also pay very well
i pay i pay higher than out i pay higher
than every other smoke shop i've heard
so i pay very well so it usually tends
with higher pay you get
get a little bit better people and
usually they can last at the job longer
and
and i mean it's a smoke shop job so
they're getting good pay and they i mean
the only thing i got to do is sell smoke
shop stuff to customers i mean
it's it's a pretty it's a pretty easy
job there's not really much to worry
about
and and so i have them just focus on
their customer service mainly so the job
title is pretty much just customer
service you know what i mean the hardest
thing about that job is customer service
because i know a lot of people
i and i like to to get people who are
new to the field like new to selling and
new to be in the retail market because
it's easier to train them
to have good qualities you know because
if you work in a place where
where you don't got to try for a super
long time and you get just terrible
people and you got terrible pay and you
always have a bad attitude
it's going to give you bad habits and i
mean that's just how it is so you i like
getting
new people you know like people who
haven't worked in retail before
so i can help train them and help
promote good habits and help them
promote
you know uh like when customers walk in
automatically have a smile on your face
yeah that's always how it is i mean when
you walked in the first time if i was
there you know you saw me i
the first thing i did was smile is it
and those are the habits i like you know
if you get somebody who who
had a bad retail experience and worked
for somebody they didn't like and had a
bad attitude all the time
you know you walk in they're they're not
going to have the habit of smiling
you know what i mean they're going to
have the habit of just you know being
what can i do for you today how may i
help you you know sound like that you
know what i mean
i mean the first time we came into the
store there was a girl there
um i don't know her name but i mean she
was real nice she was real helpful
explained all the products and the
second time when i came back to get your
information
the guy who was working there he was
real cool and stuff i mean it
i mean it was you know good experience
going into the store for sure
you know now most people when you talk
about a smoke shop
don't really understand kind of range of
products because i don't smoke and i
never have
but there are still products in your
store which i would purchase which don't
really have anything to do with smoking
and so can you just explain to the
listeners the kind of range of products
you have and it's not just about
smoke based products or vape based
products you carry a wide range of stuff
can you just run
through the type of stuff you have yeah
so in texas
i just want to inform everybody that
this is tobacco use only you know
everything i'm going to explain here but
we have
we got everything right so we got the
conte you walk in and you're going to
see the containers
right you we got all the stash
containers you can store your your stuff
in it and
and we got the secret ones we got the
glass jars we've got all kinds of
different ones that you'll like
and then of course we got grinders
everybody needs grinders we got
we got pipes you know we got water pipes
we got concentrate pipes we got electric
concentrate pipes we got vapes we got
disposable vapes we got hookahs we got
hookah tobacco hookah coals hookah
burners
you know we kind of just anything that
produces smoke
we carry it you know what i mean
anything that that you would have
accessory wise we carry it and the cool
thing about our shop is since
i'm there it's not a franchise you know
what i mean i'm there constantly i'm
talking to my employees constantly
you know what i mean i can get what
people specifically ask for
so if they're like oh i'm a regular but
i buy this from this smoke shop for this
price
if you could give this same product here
for around the same price
i'll start coming here because i like
you all you know what i mean so i can do
that a lot of smoke shops can't do that
and then that's one of the biggest
things
i thought i think brought a lot of
people from my last smoke shop
is that is that i did that i i people
would come in and every week i'd have a
different list you know people write
down what they want and i go to the
distributor and i'd be like hey
i need all this stuff and they'd give it
to me and you know
they'd come back and they surprised i
had that i actually got what they wanted
you know what i mean yeah like
i just got off the phone with somebody
when i was walking in here and they want
cigarette tobacco
you know he said he's been looking
everywhere and he can't find a cigarette
tobacco he's called so many different
smoke shops and nobody's carrying
cigarettes tobacco
so i said you live close by you know
because he called my smoke shop that's
farther from here
and he was like yeah i live i live right
in the middle and i was like okay i'll
start carrying your
cigarette tobacco here every week we'll
have it so you come by it'll be
restocked the next week you come
so i mean and he was he was really
excited about that and he
he kept asking you know he was trying to
find something now so you know i gave
him suggestions and i
i looked up shops for him and i said
here you could try this place in this
place in this place
because he's trying to find cigarette
tobacco and everybody keeps carrying
pipe tobacco which isn't what he was
looking for you know so i just i think i
think the
bringing in that the products are really
whatever you need
yeah uh in that kind of thing so so i'm
curious was it
by any chance drum tobacco halves where
shag
i i'm pretty sure drum is what he was
looking for yeah yeah but that that was
the good stuff way
back and and they stole my younger and
they still make it fresh the company is
still
going and they're going strong i'm in a
lot of tobacco and one big thing i
forgot to mention we do also carry all
different types of delta eight
so we got delta eight disposables delta
eight uh
flour we got delta eight um shatter we
got delta a edibles and all
reputable companies and they're all
pretty big companies so we do have all
that
in the store too yeah i remember uh way
back in the day i used to smoke drum
tobacco
and when you bought a pack of drum
tobacco you got a
pack of drum papers with that
and if you saved a certain amount of
those you could send them off
and then drum would send you this
leather pouch
to pour everything in that had like a a
little disc that you poured
what was it the distilled water whatever
to keep everything fresh and i had that
and i i smoked that for years i mean i
i love drum tobacco so get good to hear
that
so cameron obviously uh as we went
through the wide range of products you
have in the store
and from personal experience whenever
when i've gone into smoke
shops before you know looking for cbd
oil
a lot of the range of products hasn't
been huge i felt sometimes like i've
been shopping in a phone booth you know
there's really not that much
but you guys have a lot of stuff and a
wide product range but what
you know out of all the products you
have in there is probably
i don't know your best-selling product
yeah delta is definitely our
best-selling product
i mean we have people coming there and
already know like what they want i want
delta eight and they'll go straight to
that section
we've got a lot of different things we
got the uh one of our top sellers are
going to be like the disposables
a lot of people like the disposables
because you can take it on the go and
hit whatever you want anywhere you want
and the edibles too
uh everybody loves edibles we got this
new brand called moonwalker
is moonwalker we got moonwalker uh they
reached out to us they're
pretty big brand i've got uh woken smoke
which is
he reached us at another one of our
smoke shops and you know
told us about him and he's actually a
pretty big brand too we looked him up
so i mean we got some pretty good
so can you kind of describe
more for people that don't know what a
disposable is
okay so disposable just like how you hit
uh i'm
sure a lot of people know about the
jewels or you know the puff bars and
stuff like that
never heard of the jewel as he's hidden
um yeah so they're it's just little uh
little pods that
really you don't have to refill them so
you don't have to deal with the mess or
anything like that it's just a little
small vape
so you don't have to refill them or
anything you just
just quickly use them get a quick so
they have different variety of puffs
like one got 300 400
one goes up to i think like 2 000 and
once you're done with that you just
throw it away and you buy a new one
oh okay so you don't have to make sure
you keep refilling it the whole mess
so very good for lazy people like yeah
yeah
exactly so so what's the difference in
effects in taking delt rate in different
formats says taking it in
you know vaping it or taking it as
edibles what's the difference in terms
of effects in terms of
la how long it lasts or it just depends
i mean
each one has different milligrams and
that's the stronger dose
so i mean you've got the uh you've got
the disposables which
they hit real hard but they're not going
to hit as hard as the shatter that we
have
because the shatter you use from actual
water pipe you know
and it goes straight in the back your
lungs you don't have to vape it
yeah like the the shadow is going to be
like the pure concentrate of delta eight
and you know
you have to they have to edit it a
little bit to fit it in a cartridge you
know what i mean so it does get a little
bit weaker
when you put it in a cartridge because
it's not pure concentrate because
if you took your concentrate it's very
thick
you wouldn't be able to vape pure
concentrate like that it has to be
heated up
at a very high degree um and and so
that's why the shadow would be a little
bit stronger
so the delta eight would last about an
hour and a half in disposable or shatter
form
and then if you go to the edibles based
on your tolerance on those
it can last anywhere between four to
seven hours
um it just depends on the amount the
milligram
like the milligrams you've used uh 25 is
the average for someone who's never
done animals before most mediocre
daily smokers would get about 50 to 75
milligrams
which is is decently high but that would
last about five hours
and one thing i have noticed with delta
eight is
it takes longer for you to feel it so if
you looked at delta nine delta 9 would
take
you know it usually takes around an hour
but everyone i've i've seen use delta 8
it takes around 2 hours
to kick in but then it lasts about 5
hours
yeah i bought some deltorate edibles
from your store
and it took probably about an hour and a
half before it to kick in
but it also lasted for about six hours
and i made the mistake the first time
i've taken it about
nine o'clock at night and i had the
craziest
lucid dreams like that is a side effect
of
delta a yeah so can you explain to
everybody
the difference between delta eight and
delta nine
delta nine is going to be the pure form
of marijuana
untouched you know it's it's what
happens when you when you burn it and
you smoke it through a pipe
it's cut from the flower you put it in a
pipe you burn it bam delta nine
it's your delta nine thc that's the most
common form it's what everybody has
now delta eight thc
is it gets a little tricky right so each
plant
technically only has about one percent
delta eight
so you're like one percent delta how do
they how how in the world
is there so much delta eight if each
plant is only one percent i mean that
just doesn't make any sense
what they do it's a little tricky here's
it's like this is the scientific part
that kicks in right
it's altered slightly right they take
cbd
salt like powder they take them they
turn
the the plant into cbd they take the cbd
powder
and they put it in a solvent that
gets rid of the cbd and what you have
left is delta eight
and then you got they they take they
take the delta eight
out and they let it dry they get rid of
the solvent and then bam you got
pure delta eight concentrate there so so
that's that's how delta eight's made
um really the only difference is delta a
is indica based you can't it's it's it's
it's gonna put you it's gonna make you
sleepy it's not gonna make you
you know wake up like you can get in
delta nine you can get sativa which
you know some of them they help you
concentrate help you wake up help you do
that
there's no delta a like that they can
say sativa but when they say sativa it's
usually about the flavor they're copying
a flavor
of a sativa herb it's not an actual
sativa
you understand what i'm saying no so
explain
sativa versus indica sorry
for people that don't know about
something roughly like kratom or
something like that
it's going to be similar to to kratom
but but
uh like so back in the old days we're
talking about the 80s they had corn you
know everybody had corn back then it was
all
you know marijuana's marijuana there's
no this marijuana this marijuana this
marijuana you know and then slowly they
grew up
like they grew they grew older and and
the plant you know people started to
realize that you can you can edit this
that not every single marijuana is the
same
you know there's certain properties
certain marijuanas have that other
marijuanas don't
you know and and over time they learned
how to test these things and
and they found out that that there's a
certain strain of marijuana
that can make you super tired and
couch-locked and
and and they found that there's another
strain of marijuana that can you know
doesn't affect your
your it doesn't make you tired you're
not going to want to sit there on the
couch and watch tv and eat a bag of
chips you know you're going to want to
do your normal daily stuff and you you
know you still feel it you know what i
mean
and so basically that i mean that's
pretty much it just the type of plant it
is you know what i mean
um it's just it's just that different
you know i'm trying to find something to
compare it to
um kind of how you know you got
how light beer and dark beer affects
people differently kind of
i mean that's probably gonna be really
similar to it sure i i've read an
article honestly that said something
about
delta eight versus delta nine and it was
like
okay well you can get drunk on beer
or you can get drunk on vodka
and so you can drink the
same amount of vodka or beer and if you
drink that same amount of vodka you're
going to get
more drunk and it was all about
i guess you're talking about the
milligrams right
yeah but i i that article
i have heard it's it's a gray area when
it comes to the strength of delta eight
versus delta nine
okay because
i don't see a dif that big of a
difference i mean beer and vodka that's
uh we're talking about a
a significant alcohol percentage
difference so if you compare it like
that
then that's a that's a pretty big
difference um but if we went
you know maybe like an eight percent
ipa versus a four percent five percent
regular beer
that'd be a better comparison if i had
to make a computer yeah
and i know i was reading a multiple of
articles about delta rate and it said
the probably the most accurate ratio in
terms of milligrams is four to one that
if you had
you know 12 and a half milligrams of
delta 9 then you're going to need
50 milligrams of you know delterate to
have the same effect but
again you know with delta nine there are
other things in terms of
you know some people experience paranoia
they experience
various other things like the jitters
whereas delta rate is more of a calming
you know effect on a lot of people and
but it does have that kind of sleepy
factor
now for me it didn't make delta rate
didn't make me feel sleepy but when i
wanted to fall asleep
it made me fall asleep within like two
minutes i mean i was gone and i i would
sleep for like 10 hours
yeah i just from the people that i've
tested the differences
they haven't been able to notice it like
that yeah and to them it lasts just as
long
it feels the same and i mean if you were
smoking an indica i would compare an
indica to delta a almost perfectly you
know what i mean
um they both make you feel tired they
both make you feel
a lot you know honestly though with
delta eight
a lot of people that i've seen smoking
get hungrier with delta eight
like they the munchies hit them a little
bit harder with delta eight than they do
with delta nine so i don't know
if that's something we're about to
discover or what because i've seen four
people
where delta nine didn't affect them like
that they they did some delta a and they
were over there eating more than they've
ever eaten in their life yeah i mean
well when i had the uh gummies for
del tray i mean i think i a pizza and a
half in one night it definitely gives
you the uh
munchies to the extreme and i actually
got out of bed when i woke up to go to
the bathroom to
go to the you know go pee i was kinda
like might as well eat something while
i'm up so i went downstairs and made
another half pizza
yeah it makes sense so on that note
why is deltrade legal
if you have a certain number of
milligrams can have the same effect as
delta nine when you have
in colorado where delta nine is legal
delta rate is illegal
okay texas is a big follow federal state
you know what i mean
if it's if if something's federal texas
is like if united states banned it
i have to ban it you know what i mean so
texas i doubt would ever even become
legal in delta 9 unless federally it
became illegal
and federally delta 9 is illegal
federally delta 8 is not illegal
you know what i mean so this isn't a
this isn't spice it's not k2 it's not
something synthetic
made in a lab it's it's
it's real it comes from the plants
extracted
it's chem it is chemically converted
into delta eight yes
but it's not made from scratch you know
what i mean
it's not something that can cause you
psychosis there is there
is not gonna be any negative side
effects from pure delta eight you know
what i mean it's straight from the plant
you know so i doubt that they're gonna
ever make delta eight illegal
because not only would that be a step
backwards as there's no
cause for it you know what i mean if
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texas would follow somebody if somebody
else did it first and i don't see
anybody else making delta 8 illegal
i only see us going in the direction of
making delta 9 legal
but again texas is a big federal state
we're very patriotic to the country of
america
so texas the only reason texas hasn't
made it legal yet is because federally
delta 9 is illegal the day the federal
government decides
delta 9 isn't illegal anymore texas will
follow and be like okay
it's not illegal that is the only reason
delta 9 is still legal
so what about in the states again like
colorado
there's been you know talk about the
just because
deltorate doesn't have the same
regulation
as delta 9 has that's why it's not legal
in those states because there are
actually two or three states where
delta 9 is legal where delta 8 is
illegal
and they you know constantly quote it's
about the regulation that
you know there's there hasn't been state
regulation there hasn't been time there
hasn't been a body because you have to
remember with marijuana there's been
decades of study delterates kind of hit
somebody blindsided a lot of people
and there really hasn't been those
long-term studies i think
the thing with the states where it's
legal you have to specific on
regulations right so they
they went specific with the marijuana
plant in those legal states so it was
easier for them to
to make it illegal already right it was
easy to do that because they already
have regulations on the plant itself in
texas they only got the only thing they
do is
delta 9 is legal there's no regulations
now the biggest thing i see
in those states is not about the
regulation of delta eight
it's about the fact that they charge a
thirty percent
tax thirty five percent tax on delta
nine
and they they think people are gonna
start using delta eight as a loophole
right that's what the shep and i were
actually discussing earlier today about
how these states can make money out of
it and if there isn't this way they can
make immediate money out of it
then they kind of try and find barriers
so now we've thrown all these numbers
out right we got
delta eight we got delta nine so we're
throwing out two numbers basically then
yeah lots of numbers yeah and now we're
gonna let's go let's count up one
further yeah
yeah seventeen
yeah sometimes i don't know ten
what stealth ten is there a delta so so
there is
a delta ten and
that's it that's even newer than the
delta eight so
what is delta ten okay delta ten
is going to be to sativa version of
delta
eight so they're gonna take delta nine
you know they've
delta eight like i said makes you tired
makes you sleepy the whole
it's indica based it is 100 indica based
you'll never find a delta eight that's
true sativa like that so that's has
sativa qualities
because like i said on the packaging
when they label sativa
they're basing it off the flavor that
they're they're mimicking with the delta
eight okay they're not
calling it a sativa there's no way it
can be a sativa right it's it's
the qualities that delta has is to make
you tired make you hungry that's
everything has its qualities you know
delta 10 they're focusing on more
making sativa based you know it
chemically making it sativa-based you
know
where you can do your daily stuff and
not feel tired and
it's probably going to have less effect
on munchies stuff like that because it's
it's going to have more sativa qualities
and less indica qualities that's
going to be the only difference not
one's going to work better than the
other
and not one's going to be more expensive
than the other the only thing that delta
10 hasn't done yet is being mass
produced
delta 10 does currently exist and you
can buy delta 10
uh online now so it is available it's
just not
widely available yet yeah and from what
i'd read on
delta 10 you know there were
certain opinions that if they ever
streamline the process
so it can be cost effective and mass
produced
that it will actually replace delta nine
in some respects
certainly in terms of the regulation in
terms of
you know marijuana being banned in
certain states that if delta 10
can be widespreadly legal throughout the
entire united states
then it will actually end up being a
replacement
only for tax purposes okay so
so nothing can ever truly replace delta
nine right
if you have delta nine pure it's always
gonna be way better than delta eight
delta ten
but with no regulation on taxes
and i mean you were talking about a
standard state tax versus
a 40 tax that they put on
on these these and the on the herb like
that's you know that's crazy that they
they're allowed to do something like
that and it's all a dieter man
it's it's they don't want you to
actually sell it you know
they don't want it to actually work but
if it's going to work then they want to
be able to make a lot of money off of it
because
no other business is taxed like that so
it's i mean they're just taking it
they're making it the minority of of the
products you can sell in the state
and and so they only if it does work the
the
the only way to replace delta 9 is if
they never
raise the tax on delta and delta 10
products
now delta 9 became legal tomorrow
would it cost you a lot more money to be
able to get your skin in the game and
actually be able to sell it because i
remember when they were first giving out
contracts in other states it was like
you have to put down 400
000 to even like apply for a license to
even be able to be a dispensary or
something i mean is the cost going to be
too
high for most people to even be able to
get in
i don't i don't i mean i haven't i
haven't looked into it i'm going to be
honest with you i'm not gonna say here
and throw out numbers that i don't know
um i would i personally i don't matter
to me um i'm already
i'm preparing to hopefully you know open
a couple in texas as soon as it becomes
becomes legal for me price wouldn't be a
dealer because
you know it's it's it's it's a market
that's never going to go away
right you know what i mean it's not you
still can't
mail it you know it's it's one of the
last
products in this place that you can't
be beat by online you know what i mean
they can't just go to amazon and look it
up and buy it and have it same day
shipping you know what i mean
so it's always going to be a product
that's not after because i mean there's
not at a failing dispensary man
yeah even with the 35 40 tax people love
buying from these places they like
buying real products
they like buying true products they like
buying regulated products because they
know exactly what they're putting in
their body
i mean you get to see exactly what it is
you see what the chemicals they've used
you see the
the ingredients they have they use you
you see the qualities they're gonna hold
you know they
they have everything you're looking for
in the shops when you buy it on the
streets
you got a guy hands it to you in a bag
you give them some money you have no
clue where you're about to put you know
your body you know so
we mentioned kratom earlier i noticed in
the store you didn't really have any
kratom is that not really an area you're
really interested in no man i love
kratom but
kratom is very customer based if a
customer asked for it i would put kratom
in the store
yeah um if a customer doesn't ask for it
i'm not going to put credit
yeah it's a rough it's a rough taste
kratom i mean it's
like eating i don't know if you empty
out tea bags which you've gone off for a
while
leave them outside then well kind of
it then kind of drink it and it's like
the worst taste ever the worst
aftertaste ever
i'm sure he probably doesn't have curry
in his shop
either because nobody likes curry that's
not true for you it's honey you don't
like
no i love curry if i just want to put
that in there it's one of my favorite
favorites
no see i don't believe you no no one
likes curry
the most common way to to drink kratom
is that you don't make it into the tea
you just shove the powder in your mouth
and you drink take it
can i tell you why he has a bad
experience with curry why does he have a
bad experience
when he was 18 months old his mom could
no longer produce breast milk so she put
some curry
powder in with some milk and fed it to
him and he hasn't like carried ever
since so
yeah if you want a recommendation by the
way thai hut over there on uh
right there on what is it basswood and
uh no
it's on um it's oh it's western
center okay and what is that other
crossroad
right there western center and it's
right there by the walmart
you know what i mean yeah i know
question center and ray white
right yeah that's no i love a good query
for some strange reason on this podcast
we have an abnormal
number of indian followers probably we
are
one of the top 10 english speaking
listened to podcasts in india and we
have no clue why
so now we try and give him a shout out
every episode yeah now
i i have to ask cameron you've been
sitting
here being nice do you like curry
i've never had it before yeah don't
don't try curry don't try curry
completely looking thing yeah oh yeah
that was good i have had it
look he hates because i thought i'd like
no i thought i liked you cameron yeah
i don't like you now he hates it because
it's a replacement for breast milk but
the rest of us like it
yeah nobody likes memory are there any
other products out there which are
coming out because obviously delta tan
you know has just come on the scene
coming in and
yeah i've seen it online and stuff but
is there anything else there
honestly man i think kratom is on the
rise you think you know kratom's been
out for a while
but i really do think kratom's getting a
lot more popular than it used to be
um because i i do get asked at my other
stores a lot about kratom
yeah you know and i at some point i i
used to buy kilo bags for one of my
stores
i had a customer buying a kilo every
month of it
people just don't understand that kratom
does give you effects yeah
and and once people start to understand
that i think that's why it's getting
bigger and bigger is just because people
are
are starting to realize kratom does
affect you a little bit and it's it's
actually you know it's it's disgusting i
don't
don't get me wrong it is very nasty yeah
but
it's similar to marijuana you can't
overdose on it
and it gets you feeling good so it's
supposed to technically you know what
kratom is for right yeah
it's supposed to be an opioid
replacement right so
it's supposed to take you off of opioids
but if you're if you
you all it has no addictive technically
no chemically addictive qualities yeah
you can't take kratom and get addicted
to kratom like you would with nicotine
right
but yeah i mean you can't get addicted
to its feeling but you can't get
addicted to kratom so i think that might
be a attraction for a lot of people you
know
that they can come in they can you know
it's got it it's actually really cool
man they got ones that make you
that actually can increase your mood
like you bring your serotonin up and it
makes you feel happy the whole day
and and they got ones that you know they
got downers they got uppers they got
stimulants they got
okay it's crazy how many different types
of kratom you can you can make it it's
very similar to marijuana it really is
very similar to marijuana
yeah i've had a decent experience of
kratom and you know i started taking it
for painkilling
properties because i played professional
sports back in the day and so
i'd get you know inflammation you know
my knees my ankles and my back and
kratom actually worked very well as a
painkiller
um no you were just trying to avoid the
fact that you grew
up in britain and that wasn't anything
no that was not it was painful but
that's mentally painful
yes so kratom kind of took you through
that
because you're british and nobody likes
british people well no that's not true
no it helped me it helped me with the
physical pain it did actually
i mean kratom does have properties it
does reduce
inflammation uh people who suffer from
you know advanced kind of like bone
degeneration
arthritis have found a lot of help with
kratom i mean it is a great mood
enhancer
again the biggest problem is it tastes
freaking horrible
but and the effects with it you know
don't always it doesn't have a long
lasting effect i always found it wore
off after like a couple of hours
but it was definitely better than
you know taking a painkiller which
you know didn't really work and you
build up such a tolerance to painkillers
after a while
that happens in your brain but not in
your organs so the more of those
painkillers you start taking it affects
your organs and has a
negative effect on your organs but it's
your brain deciding
all right this is not having an effect
on my body anymore so people stack up
painkillers
and overdose on painkillers whereas
something like kratom
you can take more and more of it it's
not addictive and even if you eat
you know a whole sack of it you know
it's not really going to hurt you
but i mean for me i mean it definitely
helped when i was going through issues
with like knees and back and stuff
fantastic thing about kratom is it's
also all natural and it's a plant and
it's usually found in malaysia yeah
on the side of a hill normally oh yeah
is malaysia in india no
no are you sure in country it's in that
direction right
now if you start traveling like east
you're gonna get there eventually
you might have to waver a little bit
north and south but you'll find it
it was on the news quite a bit a while
ago about in 2014
yeah did they have dinosaurs there yeah
oh okay good yeah that's where the
jurassic park the lost world was filmed
oh yeah with the red-headed girl
yeah it almost became a documentary at
that point yeah
oh somebody's phone just went
yeah i don't have a question there
actually i
peeked too soon as i kind of went off on
one after jurassic park the last world
um let's go kind of into the summary
here and if you want to ask it
so again just talk a little bit about
the store
like if you're intending to kind of like
maybe branch to open in other stores
uh just yeah people can get in touch
with you because you do have an email
address if somebody wants to do a
question because i mean
you know we've had some guests on before
and they will actually give out their
personal email address or
number of it's to do with the business
or whatever they want to get in touch
with you
or i mean you don't you don't have to do
that i mean yeah yeah yeah no i got a
number i can i i'm fine providing my
number man right it really doesn't
bother me
you need to spin this around better give
me an
edit point and then ask well now i just
started i just asked the last three
questions mate you finish off
the end can you tell our listeners how
they can get hold of you
actually give them the store address as
well because we didn't mention that
and we'll actually put your contact
details and everything
you know on our facebook on our website
so uh we connect our listeners with you
but just everybody's listening out there
just let them know how they can get in
touch
so my email address and i always look at
this every single day so i'll always see
an email that comes in
um it's gonna be uh z as in zulu oh as
an oscar oh as an oscar.3
at live.com and that's my personal email
so i always look at it every single day
um and then the address to my store is
going to be 3604
golden triangle boulevard fort worth
texas
seven six two four four and it's the one
with the big sign that says the clad
house on it so
yeah well as me and cameron thanks for
joining us on this episode of the wolf
and the shepherd
and we hope everybody reaches out to
these guys
especially in north texas but even
outside
north texas i'm pretty sure you know
you can take care of those guys and we
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