The Wolf And The Shepherd discuss some of the worst movies from the eighties, only two of which they have actually seen which would have discouraged respectable researchers, but alas, they soldiered on. From exploding horses, the possibility of Bo Derek's breasts, and the magic of George Lucas, the movies that they reviewed were Heaven's Gate, Tarzan the Ape Man, Bolero, Howard The Duck, and Superman IV the quest for peace.
welcome to this episode of the wolf and
the shepherd today we're going to be
talking about the
worst movies ever made
you just push this across the desk i
really don't want to talk about the last
jedi
well actually this podcast is only gonna
cover
the 80s okay so we're safe until we do a
follow-up
episode in which case we can basically
dedicate an entire
an entire show to the last jedi oh okay
all right so this is
just movies made in the 80s and only
five of them at that apparently other
than being one of the best decades ever
for movies being released in terms of
popularity
oh no let's be honest there were a lot
of good movies in the 80s apparently
it's almost
also one of the worst decades ever known
for bad movies
no i i can imagine that i mean i
kind of vaguely remember some bad movies
from the 80s i haven't even seen the
list yet
but uh yeah there were some bad movies
in the 80s but
yet there were some really good movies
in the 80s so
this this list might be pretty pretty
interesting
well i mean if we get enough emails
requesting that we cover other decades
we will actually go ahead and
dedicate an episode to each uh decades
crap
at a later point in the year yeah but
are we going to go forward or backwards
because
well yeah but if you talk about the 70s
then i'm
i'm not going to be too sure but if we
go forward like into the 90s
maybe i can talk about those but if we
go much
backwards from the 80s i'm probably not
going to know the movies well i think
the big problem
you have when you look at really bad
movies
is the 80s and maybe the 90s were the
last decades where you
had to have a lot of money to make a
movie right whereas
you know once you got to the 2000s cheap
video cameras and then obviously being
able to record on phones
there were more movies independent
movies produced so declaring something
the worst is more difficult
when you've got probably tens of
thousands of contenders
well that's true so maybe we should just
do the 90s and the 70s and then leave
out that
yeah you might have to do the 70s by
yourself though yeah
well i can't remember outside of star
wars i don't really
remember too many movies from the 70s oh
the godfather
godfather one godfather two those were
from the seven yeah but i didn't watch
him i wasn't old enough
well neither was i but they're from the
seven they are from the 70s but also not
likely to make the list of worse movies
ever made in the 70s
well no obviously they're not but if you
were gonna
ask me okay name three movies from the
70s i would say
okay godfather one godfather two and
i guess i just lost you're lying to
yourself from baby jesus you would say
star wars three times yeah yeah okay
so if you asked me for four then i'd be
screwed
yeah so anyway moving on to the first
movie
i'll be honest with you okay worst
movies
in the 80s so this movie is from the 80s
from the 80s
i had heard of the title of this movie
but i've never seen it and honestly had
no clue what it was about
but it's been widely renowned as
possibly
one of the worst movies of all time now
i know they throw that around a lot like
oh the best drama ever made and all this
stuff but
this one even decades later people still
put on their list
as one of the worst movies ever made
well yeah but
did you see the deal about citizen kane
how they dug up some old
bad review on that movie from way
long ago when now it lost its rotten
tomatoes perfect score because
some movie critic years ago didn't like
it
and now it lost its perfect score so i
mean i think we're gonna see more of
that
so maybe we can dig up some really good
reviews on some of these
movies you say are the worst of all time
yeah and
swing this around well a lot of the
blame
lies for the director michael cimino for
this disaster
okay right because he started getting
this
obsession with being over perfect during
the movie
and there were some scenes he demanded
50 plus
retakes even though nobody could work
out what was wrong with the scene it
wasn't like
dropping lines or standing in the wrong
spot
he just had this idea of perfection and
so
some scenes were like 50 plus retakes
and it also like refused to start
shooting until a cloudy light rolled
across the sky
well that's confusing yeah on its face
yeah and i've never heard of that
director
but i'm not heard of he was the dude who
did the deer hunter he won
five oscars that was his previous movie
the deer hunter that won five oscars and
then he comes out with this
oh and in this movie is what what do you
mean
well you haven't even said the name of
the movie yet it's called
heaven's gate yeah i i thought i'd
mentioned it no i don't think he did i
think the listeners
probably need to know what movie well
maybe we had to stump the audience
moment there
oh okay i thought i think we stumped
them all because we didn't say the movie
so the movie's name is heaven's
gate well the first line i actually read
on this movie
was from a um film critic and he said
to even mention this movie's name
in critique circles is blasphemy so i
think i probably
that stuck in my head which is why i
don't say the name of the movie oh maybe
we weren't supposed to say the name of
the movie it's bad luck now
but heaven's gate was the name of that
cult
where all the people committed suicide
and they were wearing nikes i mean
that's why we wear adidas because we
don't want to belong to
well all the best cults kind of commit
suicide
well you know yeah for the most part
yeah no yeah
well this movie was loosely based on the
johnson county war in wyoming back in
the 1890s which obviously i've never
heard of
no i haven't either i mean johnson
county in texas is just
south of us yeah but if you just said
the johnson county war
we'd have said oh the people in burleson
are upset
with taxes and they're shooting their
guns at drones or something like that
that's what i would know about the
johnson county war now the movie
actually cost
about 45 million dollars to make and it
only bought in
three and a half million and it ended up
bankrupting united arts
artists in the process well let's also
remember you're talking about 45 million
dollars
in the 80s yeah that's not 45 million
dollars
yeah that's a lot of money yeah what
exactly was the
premise of this movie i mean it do we
know because
i can i'm gonna be 100 honest with you
i've never seen this movie i've never
even heard of this there's a reason i
haven't put in
actually more about the plot of this
movie because the moment i get home i'm
gonna download it via bittorrent and
force my girlfriend to watch it tonight
i wonder if movies this bad if you try
to pirate them
that you get some kind of credit to say
hey you at least tried to share this
movie that nobody wants to watch so
we're going to give you a pass on
it for about two weeks and yeah like no
downloads exactly
well one of the issues around this movie
was that it's almost four hours long
four hours four hours long well now hang
on so you have gone with the wind
yeah to if you ask me what's one of the
longest movies
i always think of gone with the wind and
that's like three hours and something
so this movie any of the longer any of
the lord of the rings the hobbit one's
pretty much three hours yeah it's like
two and a half hours of walking
and 30 minutes of actual movie but gone
with the winds really
long so you're saying this movie's
longer than gone with the wind
now it got yanked from release after a
week because there's so many complaints
about how long the movie was wow
and then they re-released it as a
149-minute version so they managed to
cut out
90 minutes of fluff okay from the
original movie so that just shows you
how padded out with
crap which was either boring or just not
relevant to the plot whatsoever yeah but
okay so a whole movie's worth out of the
movie
right but on the opposite side with the
lord of the rings like you bring up
there's like these directors cuts of
those movies which make them even longer
right i mean i remember seeing whatever
the last
lord of the rings movie was with my wife
and thinking oh the movie's over and i'm
sitting there gathering stuff up and i
look up
and the movie keeps going it goes on for
another hour i'm like i need to get up
and go to the bathroom
like what's going on with this movie
you're telling me
they cut 90 minutes out of this movie
yeah and it's still bad yeah after a
week right
is there a director's cut of this movie
that's like
six hours long i don't know there's
various um directors cuts or not
necessarily the director
who did it but people have released it
as a director's cut of this movie
apparently you can
watch them on youtube and i guess
because the film studio went bankrupt
when they released it there was no
copyright issue on the movie and so the
original copies can be found on
youtube now the entire movie with no
infringement warning on it whatsoever
ironically they're probably not
monetized yeah they've probably got
about nine downloads or something yeah
well even after they cut the 90 minutes
out
the reviews for the monthly magazines
were also
always coming out you know a little bit
later than the kind of daily or weekly
newspapers
sure so even after the movie got the
chunks cut out
it got such stunning reviews as an
unqualified
disaster and i mean this taking world
war ii into consideration
the most scandalous cinematic waste i've
ever seen
again obviously then seen the last jedi
at that point but sure
time magazine called it one of the 100
worst ideas
of the 20th century it finished only one
place behind
neville chamberlain the english prime
minister at the time
trying to make peace with hitler well
and that's a bold statement
from time magazine because they named
adolf hitler man of the year
right yeah and the guardian newspaper in
england
called it the worst film of all time and
two years ago when they rewrote a
similar article it's still listed as
the worst film of all time now i guess
the big
question is was it nominated for any
academy awards no just bad stuff like
raspberries and all that stuff now we'll
leave the movie on this note
there were widespread accusations of
animal cruelty
oh there were animals in the movie yeah
and apparently well
founded because in one scene they
actually literally
blew up a horse with explosives on set
was it a live horse or a real horse yeah
a real horse
well no but was the horse no it was
standing still
but the horse was alive yeah before when
they blew it up yeah
it's not like it's not like a warner
brothers cartoon it's not still light
after being blown oh okay well that's
kind of sad
yeah no they actually killed that was
among
a number of uh animal cruelty things but
yeah they actually
blew up a live horse so they didn't they
didn't get that deal at the end of the
movie where it said
you know the humane society has
monitored this and no animals were
harmed
in the making of this film we just got
to hope this wasn't one of the scenes he
demanded 50 retakes of
oh yeah that would be terrible do you
know in the shawshank redemption
the scene where brooks has the crow
and so andy dufresne has the
the worm that's in his food and he
brooks says hey can i have that and they
fed that to the crow do you realize they
had to have that
worm dead to feed to the crow
so the humane society could give them a
blessing of no animals were harmed
in the film wow little tribute there now
since we're talking about
movies now following on from that i now
introduce
a movie where apparently many of the
animals were harmed albeit only
emotionally and psychologically
okay yeah so i bring to you tarzan the
eight man
from 1981 have you ever seen that movie
there was a tarzan movie in the early
80s yeah
the ape man not tarzan i don't remember
this at all no
i don't think i saw it i think it was um
actually i do remember it
just purely because bo derek was in it
bo
derek was in tommy boy and the first
movie where she became famous was in
that movie 10 where she was like walking
along the beach in a bikini
well yeah that's the famous poster that
everybody has of her
and so you know obviously i was too
young to really appreciate that at the
time but i did know who she was by the
time this movie came out
and but that is the only reason i've
heard of this movie because i know she
was in this movie
right and so like i said in tommyboy
there's actually that scene where she's
getting out of the pool
and chris farley says when she thinks
yeah and he says dad she's a 10. and it
was a throwback to the fact that she was
in that movie
perfect 10 or whatever so yeah i know
who she is
it's kind of ironic though that she has
two men's names
and she's a woman right right not b.o
though not b-e-a-u
bow you know no no b-i-a-u is the french
version i mean
bow is still a man's name derek it's
like
you know two men's names and she's a
woman we also don't need to provide any
backdrop
because this is just basically another
remake of tarzan
but it's from jane's point of view
mostly oh okay right
so it's like an adult who played jane oh
derek
yeah oh okay so it's basically like an
adult version of the jungle book
but a little bit less anthropomorphism
gotcha yeah
so as we said one it's most redeeming
feature is that it
has bo derek as jane and it was pretty
much stated as a fact
that without people hoping to catch a
glimpse of the boobs
it would have been hard to force the
actors own relatives at knifepoint to
sit down and watch
the movie that was the first review of
that movie
wow was that cisco or ebert i don't know
i don't get that reference you don't
know who siskel and ebert are
no see this is your british upbringing
siskel and ebert were the quintessential
movie reviewers in the united states for
years
and then one of those dudes died i don't
remember if it was siskel or ebert or
whatever one of those dudes died i think
they're both dead now
but yeah that's where the whole two
thumbs up
came from was siskel would say
thumbs up ebert would say thumbs up and
that's where
movies got reviewed it was two thumbs up
from them and it could be one thumb up
one thumb down or two thumbs down
but yeah they they were big movie
reviewers not exactly the most stringent
kind of guide to movies to go on though
is it if you've only got three
variations
as well crap average excellent
well it and it's basically yeah well
it's basically like the oscars
are too i mean that's why if you look at
the way the oscars were this year which
the oscars just came out what like last
week
and it was the lowest viewed
oscars of all time for
several years based off population or
whatever just
nobody's caring about what the critics
in the academy cares about movies
anymore yeah well i haven't
watched the oscars other than a few
perhaps
highlights a long long long time ago and
i think that's just because i wanted
certain movies
you know to win something but nowadays i
would honestly watch
rather watch a hundred naked men named
oscar defecate in an open field and
watch
the oscars i think it would probably get
more viewers i'd rather be i'd rather be
downwind
of them as well rather than well in that
would that would get more viewers than
the
academy awards did this year yeah and
ironically
there'd be less crap involved that's
true yeah well
ricky gervais kind of set that up the
last year
yeah i mean good for him yeah i mean his
little speech he kind of set that up
yeah so you gotta hand it to him for
that
now as i was talking about before that
you know most people went
to see the movie in the first couple of
weeks on the promise
or rather likelihood that bo derek
might get a boobs out at some point well
sure i can see that yeah but once word
actually got out in the newspapers and
magazines that she did indeed not get a
boobs out
oh the box office receipts dried up in
about a week okay so basically
people went and saw the movie and then
said she did not take her boobs out yeah
and then nobody wanted to go see them
yeah it's like um the equivalent of you
taking
i don't know like your 12 year old to
the movies and saying
son we're gonna go and see the new
tarzan movie be like dad i don't want to
shut up you're coming to watch the new
tarzan movie right
and you're just waiting like the whole
movie you come out and your son's like
dad that was really good and you're like
no
it sucked it's a disappointment yeah
yeah absolutely
but you also have to remember back in
those days that
there was no you know early release
there was no
trying to get it on the pirate network
there was no
you know getting the screeners or
whatever where you could see it
you had to wait till these critics
actually went out and saw the movie
and then told you some of what was in
the movie so
when they turned around and said this
didn't happen
and everybody was sitting there
expecting
that to happen then they're gonna say
well
why would i go bother seeing this now
one of the kindest movies about this
movie
said the acting one of the kindest
movies about this movie
no wonder that's that's exactly
what you said oh we're not editing this
out
now you gotta buckle up buttercup so one
of the kindest comments about this movie
there we go so the acting was so bad
the animals in the movie formed a union
and insisted their faces were blurred
out in the close-up scenes
i don't blame them yeah i totally don't
blame them yeah
honestly i think the animals were
probably upset that bo
derek didn't show her boots yeah his
alley yeah they were all there for the
same reason well
and that's probably why they created the
union i mean even a paid actor actually
in the movie
it didn't say which character they
portrayed
said it has poor screenplay bad acting
unintentional humor lacks action and
charm
i could literally feel the shame
radiating from the chimpanzees on set
i got the feeling they'd have preferred
to have been imprisoned in a laboratory
being forced to smoke 200 cigarettes a
day for cancer research
now do we know who played tarzan in the
movie did we even bother
yeah i did but i've forgotten if that
counts yeah
so oh i do know that he went on
after this terrible movie went on to
appear in a kind of parody movie of
conan the barbarian
and it was a kind of parody of it but it
got kind of a little bit successful when
he was the lead role in that that's the
only thing i can tell you about him i
wonder if he's the one that made that
comment
no it wouldn't make sense yeah
he's probably the guy that played edward
in the twilight movies
what was his name uh oh edward
edward you mean robert patterson yeah
he's a decent actor if i've seen him in
some really good movies
well you know that's why british people
aren't allowed to
talk about movies no he's actually a
good actor it's just a crap
set of movies well yes
that is true you know so on the subject
of british
i'm going to leave um this movie with a
quote from a british film critic
said it's been widely agreed by
anthropologists
that if edgar rice borrows tarzan book
at any basis in reality
tarzan would have almost certainly have
experimented sexually with apes during
puberty
had they decided and to dedicate a full
20 minutes to this in the movie
in graphic detail it would still have
been less offensive than the acting
probably so yeah this is one of those
movies where you basically convince me
not to watch it
well i don't know i think we should i
think we should watch all of these
movies
well yeah but you also said bo derek
doesn't show her boobs
why should i watch this yeah the next
movie in this series of worst movies in
the 80s
is also another bo derek movie and just
like the tarzan movie
it was directed by her husband john well
so i'm sensing a theme here yeah i
thought bo
derek was this queen of the 80s she
didn't say yeah but how did she create
all these bad
movies in the 80s because people knew
that people would pay for a chance to
see her boobies oh
okay i'm with you no i get that boobies
sell especially back in the 80s when you
have a little chance to see anything
remotely
like a cleavage anywhere that's true
that's true
so this was the first movie to ever
receive an
f on cinema score which is like one of
the most
famous grading things for movies
so this is long before rotten tomatoes
ever came out
you know this yeah this is how they were
in movies now obviously if it's
you know up to date last jedi is going
to be the second f to be received
sure yeah but no this was the first
movie to ever receive in f
and it's partly famous for a room actual
movie reviewer from rolling stone
filing a lawsuit for emotional distress
and depression
after being forced to go to the premiere
by his employees
wow and the name of the movie is
bolero bolero
yeah once again never heard of this
i've heard of it again just because she
was in it and i think i did rent it out
on vhs just on the off chance of seeing
her personality
sure see a personality right no and that
makes total sense
yeah this rolling stone guy who filed a
lawsuit
said actually in his case he stated that
he had a better time in vietnam when he
was captured by the viet
cong and tortured for two months was
that john mccain
no no john mccain should have been
a movie reviewer movie critic
why well i mean you're sitting there in
this vietnamese prison or wherever he
was
after he was born in panama he should
have just
reviewed movies rather than getting in
the senate and having a failed bid for
president
yeah that's i i would have rather had
done that i mean follow my logic
right i mean that makes much more sense
john mccain
buys remorse yeah john mccain would have
made a really good movie critic
i wouldn't listen to him well well
especially now he's dead but i mean when
he was alive i wouldn't have listened to
him
yeah but he could have taken sarah palin
to the movies with him
no he doesn't get to take my girl sarah
palin to the movies oh
okay i wonder if sarah palin would be a
good movie critic
yes probably so yeah she would shoot her
gun
at the movie screen and she'd done yeah
you know if she didn't like the movie
she would just shoot her gun
at the movie screen so what about what
about
tulsi gabbard though what about tulsi
gabbard would be the
ultimate movie critic yeah i'd like to
take her to the movies i'd watch it with
a sound huff
yeah yeah i i couldn't watch the movie
if i was
with tulsi gabbard trying to
watch a movie and critique it i would
watch her boil water for 30 minutes on a
cooking show
yes yeah even if she was wearing a full
apron
yeah yeah she should actually start a
youtube channel of just
boiling water yep we digressed back to
bolero
apparently as suspected initial box
office receipts were temporarily
enthusiastic
based purely upon the once again smashed
dream of seeing beau derek's nipples
maybe we should have called this bo
derrick fails the movies
i mean it it seems like there's this bo
derek thing
well she's only in two out two out of
the five yeah it feels like they've
she's been in all these now this next
movie you have seen
and i saw it but i didn't see it until
it came on tv
whereas you probably went to the movie
theater and paid money for it oh
so we finally are getting to a movie
that i might have actually
how would the doc
i did see this movie a long time ago
i i barely remember the movie i remember
uh the duck was you know
an animatronic is not the right word but
puppet isn't either i mean it was
some kind of costume duck or whatever
that was walking around and it was
talking everything and you know
i like ducks but ducks are evil yeah
so uh howard the duck i might have to
disagree with you a little bit about
this being a bad movie
this is this is so you're gonna have to
guide me through this one
this is written by people who understand
the movies not people
like me and you well yeah i don't
understand maybe i mean
there's a talking duck i mean that's
fantastic to me
yeah now it's produced by george lucas
oh well george lucas does no wrong
right but along with him bringing judge
r binks into the world it's proof that
george lucas must have at least tried
meth twice yes yeah in his career
so was george r binks actually howard
the duck
just from a different place on par well
actually no
how would the duck did exist because um
he was
like a superhero and he was in comics
because i remember seeing him in a
crossover in some
i think it's yeah it was a dc comic and
i remember
him coming in the scene it's like what's
a talking duck got to do anything and i
just came across
thinking he was a bit of a wanker and
then this movie came out 10 years later
yeah but talking ducks make everything
better well
not this one oh it's widely renowned as
the worst
live-action animation crossover movie
ever made
including all of the college-based
movies submitted what about the new
aladdin
i haven't seen it oh no
um that's where i'm gonna have to
disagree because you know will smith
he does a good job acting but will smith
is the genie
is no robin williams so
i'm not robin williams fans ah no robin
williams is good
and that's that's the british part of
you coming out but
i can see howard the duck being better
than
will smith's version of the genie in
aladdin
why was he animated no well
kind of what do you mean kind of well
that the whole
disney live action i mean they they keep
saying oh
these are live action movies but it's
cgi
it's better cgi that's all it is it's
like oh
live action lion king they're not going
to the fort worth zoo
and saying hey let's get the lions to go
ahead and act this out you know
they're not doing that so it's not
really live action
they're just trying to make it look a
little bit more realistic
so to speak well one movie critics said
about howard the duck's movements that
it reminded him of his grandfather not
the early years when he was fun
the part of his life after a stroke
paralyzed half of his face and shortly
after was
diagnosed with parkinson's so that's
well that's kind of sad yeah so the film
also set a record in the number of
arrests
for criminal trespass and vandalism
among minors
as teenagers all over the united states
defaced howard the duck posters outside
of movie theaters
replacing the letter d in dark with an f
oh and we're so creative there's no f in
dark
right right so creative for them to do
that yeah
oh i'm one of the uh highlighted points
of the movie which is
still referred to this day is that
included
the concept of bestiality to a mainly pg
audience
yeah because it was once again
thrown back to back to the future leah
thompson was in that movie
and so they kind of she used to be
pretty hot yeah
in a 80s type way exactly and so
they had this kind of love interest like
you say and it was a little on the
creepy side
but if you were young enough to watch it
you didn't really get it
but if you were an adult you're like
wait
what's going on here this is kind of
messed up
right i mean you're really shaking your
head
yeah so moving on to the next movie the
last movie which again i think you've
probably seen
because i've seen it again on um tv
because i wasn't gonna pay
for this movie superman 4
the quest for peace 1987 really
a superman movie made this list yeah
you're talking about christopher reeve
superman yeah this is when they paid him
one last time 10 times as much money as
the movie before when he had previously
said he would not be
reappearing in the role wow and
obviously this is before his horse ride
yeah well i don't know if you'd call it
a full ride
well possibly ride three quarters of a
ride
a partial ride yeah yeah he did actually
turn down i think
superman three but they paid him a bunch
of money to do that
and then he definitely definitely
definitely definitely
wasn't going to do any more until they
then paid him
another 10 times as much for this movie
i think
superman just rode by yeah motorcycle
sounds pissed
yeah apparently in the first superman
movie 90
of the budget was for the special
effects to make it look like it was
flying
really yeah in the fourth movie 80
of the budget went towards christopher
reeve's wages wow
well you know good for him because he
needed that money after the horse
accident
yeah you know so it i'm not saying
he was looking forward into the future
you know kind of like back to the future
because even the real superman can do
that
no he doesn't know stupidly insane stuff
but he can do that yeah he only
could spin the earth backwards to go
back in time he can't spin the earth the
other way
for some weird reason why couldn't he
spin the earth forward
because time in the future is what's
happened in the future
has not happened yet whereas the past
has happened so you can revisit a
timeline that has occurred but not a
future one which has not
occurred because it's still dependent on
the decisions you make today therefore
the future is not written the past is
yeah but
he goes out in space and spins the earth
backwards
then slows it down and then spins it
back up yeah why couldn't he just
spin everything i think that was the
worst piece of cop out
endings to writing i think i've ever
seen him so
oh my goodness we're putting him in this
situation it's impossible to get out of
now let's just make him go up there spin
the earth round go back in time and
not make the mistake so as we talked
about before that was
lazy riding yeah crap that that was lazy
riding
yeah back themselves in a corner right
so
this movie not only has the cheesiest
name
super villain of all time nuclear man
it also includes some of the worst
special effects since
since some of the b movies in the 50s
where they had a budget of like
four thousand dollars yeah and and by
the way what year was this
86 1987 87 yeah it includes an
embarrassingly
poor scene where superman repairs the
great wall of china
using his x-ray vision now this was
still before the age of the internet
so generally relied upon people being
ignorant to what x-rays could and can do
right yeah but you're also talking about
ten years
after star wars a new hope came out yeah
which kind of set the bar for special
effects yeah
so there was 10 years they could have
studied to say hey let's get some good
special effects
well and then they didn't do it yeah
that's because they didn't have any
money left for special effects after
paying christopher reeve all his money
right yeah he must have had a fancy
wheelchair
right we need to figure it out about
about a trained horse
that's true yeah was he playing polo
when that happened
um oh okay
yeah water polo on a horse yep i hope he
didn't sue
ralph lauren i've never really like
those aftershaves
so an associate producer on this
superman four quest of peace
he was quoted as saying this will kill
the superman
franchise for 20 years and indeed it
took another 19 years before the next
superman movie was released
so he was looking into the future yeah
he was spinning that earth around
getting 19 years in the future and
saying
hey i i see where the next one's coming
out so
the next superman movie was what uh
superman returns and then it was
man of steel and then it was batman okay
so so you're talking about
more of the modern yeah oh yeah yeah
yeah i mean it's
2019 wow that's crazy to think
hold up 2019 that one came out with it
no
i think her math is bad there yeah don't
think 2008
2007 yeah that's when it came out yeah
but still
a long way after that yeah
it's nerdy for me to even guess that
close really so anyway
to add insult to injury and this
allegedly caused many superman
fans to publicly declare they were
switching allegiance to batman
the quest for peace movie revealed that
the famous
superman villain lex luthor named his
only son
lenny lenny
that's very lazy yeah that that's pretty
lazy i mean
okay let's think about this for a second
lex
kind of a powerful name yeah it's like
oh yeah lex
luthor yeah pretty good name
lenny luthor is like the guy working
at the convenience store it's like hey
lenny good to see you
i'm here to get a six pack of beer yeah
not
somebody that's trying to take over and
you know
rule the world and be what what was the
whole
superman thing with lex luthor the the
greatest mastermind of all time or
whatever his tagline was
lenny that doesn't work yeah nah that
doesn't matter
now here's a bit of trivia for you
okay can you name an incredibly popular
movie
which bases two of the main characters
upon that lex and lenny luther
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now austin powers dr evil he named his
son
scott scotty and so that would that was
based upon the fact
that it was such a letdown that lex
luthor
the super villain named his son lenny
and so dr evil his big powerful name
named his only son scotty
no that makes sense yeah yeah i think
there's a lot of stuff
in those austin power movies that is
kind of hidden like that yeah
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